"A Jesus who needed to be schooled," who basically "needed moral correction." "Another Gospel" blasphemy, making God out to be a sinner.
#1 The barriers between Jew and Gentile interaction was actually broken down by this action. The only “schooling” is the one Jesus gave us as an example.
#2 He was testing the womans faith. She passed. She was rewarded.
Did you read the Mormon comment after the article?
Yes, I don't buy it. He didn't need to be schooled by anyone. Blasphemy would be a good way to describe it.
I’m reminded of Jesus’ first miracle, where His mom presses him to make the wine out of water. In both cases (and others), I think it is more of a case of timing. Jesus had His own timing, but when pressed by others of faith, He adjusted it. Applicable to us today as we pray for Jesus’ intervention in our lives.
Another thing I always found interesting was some He told “don’t tell anyone”, and others he said it was okay to reveal what had happened. Again - a thing of timing.
But to say that Jesus “got schooled” - I don’t think so.
why is this woman a pastor if she thinks Jesus needs to be schooled?
Perhaps she should rent a building and set up shop and have the locals come and worship her since she thinks she's smarter than Jesus.
Uh, this is written by a scholar? Really?
Once again, context is key. Jesus, by the way, had already had a limited outreach to the Gentiles (chapter 8—the centurion and two demon possessed men).
But what had JUST happened in the Gospel? Jesus had an encounter with the Pharisees concerning purity—it was, in many ways, a penultimate break with the so-called leaders of the religion before Christ’s journey to Jerusalem.
So our Lord escapes to outside the parameters of Jerusalem...the FIRST time during his ministry He does so!
Jesus does not immediately embrace the Canaanite woman, it is true. Matthew purposely uses the term “Canaanite”, it seems, because these are the BIG enemies of Israel ever since the days of Moses. Matthew is getting ready to show his readers (remember: Matthew’s initial audience—the early church—was going through growing pains because of the addition of Gentiles to the body) that Christ is going to fully include people from all nations.
Jesus’ initial rejection of this woman should not surprise us—it was standard operating procedure for rabbis of the day. Barney Kasdan, a Messianic Jew, details the response of teachers of the first century in his commentary on the words of Matthew:
“Because of [suspicions] it was understood that is a rabbi was approached by a Gentile seeker, the rabbi was obligated to reject the person....”
Kasdan also cites Talmudic instructions that are given to rabbis to Gentile seekers to be certain they are serious.
So for Jesus to follow the normal “test” of rabbis of his day seems to be a bit absurd. He certainly showed more compassion and care for the hurting and ceremonially unclean than the Pharisees and scribes.
And, when the Canaanite shows her persistence is not going to fade, Jesus says her faith is “GREAT”, something he never EVER tells a Jewish follower in the Gospel! (consider how many times he tells his own disciples they have “little” faith!)
This story is concluded by Jesus giving figurative “bread” to a “dog” and is followed by Him giving miraculous bread to a crowd of dogs—proving to Matthew’s readers (again, a church struggling with the addition of Gentiles to the body) that Jesus embraces and lovers those outside Israel.
I could add more, but hopefully this will give anyone who trips up on this thread something to think about contrary to the ridiculous notion that the Word of God made flesh had to be “schooled” by a pagan.
Funny you snipped her phone number. LOL.
Before I saw the light I was a member of the Episcopal church and there was a female seminarian there who gave basically the same sermon but with great drama and flourish. I had to walk out shaking my head. Heaven protect earnest seekers who are deceived by these charlatans.
he refused this desperate woman
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“I only do what I see the Father doing.”
He did not see the Father helping this woman (yet).
Same with us. Holy Spirit says help them, or don’t, ....
The subject looks the same to the outsider, who thinks a “Christian” should help them ALL.
Sorry, they don’t get it.
LOL!
OR, the takeaways could be:
A. Jesus IS God (God the Son. The second person of the Godhead).
B. As God, HE could do whatever HE pleased and it would be right. God is under no obligation to man. Man - through Adam's sin - is under condemnation and we can only beg for mercy.
C. Jesus gives an excellent lesson about being persistent in prayer. He gives this lesson often -- because it is very important (see Luke 18:1-8): Pray, and pray again. Pray knowing that all belongs to God, and knowing that we bring nothing in our hands.
D. And of course, my number one takeaway: this lady is a fool. She should not be masquerading as a pastor, and she needs to humble herself before the Lord and before HIS Word.
“Why did Jesus call the Canaanite woman a dog?”(Gotquestions.org)
Answer: In Matthew 15:21–28, Jesus encounters a Canaanite woman who begs Him to cure her daughter. Jesus initially refuses her request by saying, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs” (Matthew 15:26). Taken out of context, and especially in English, it’s easy to mistake this for an insult. In the flow of the story, however, it’s clear Jesus is creating a metaphor meant to explain the priorities of His ministry. He is also teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
Jews in Jesus’ day sometimes referred to Gentiles as “dogs.” In Greek, this word is kuon, meaning “wild cur” (Matthew 7:6; Luke 16:21; Philippians 3:2). Non-Jews were considered so unspiritual that even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (John 18:28). Much of Jesus’ ministry, however, involved turning expectations and prejudices on their heads (Matthew 11:19; John 4:9–10). According to Matthew’s narrative, Jesus left Israel and went into Tyre and Sidon, which was Gentile territory (Matthew 15:21). When the Canaanite woman approached and repeatedly asked for healing, the disciples were annoyed and asked Jesus to send her away (Matthew 15:23).
At this point, Jesus explained His current ministry in a way that both the woman and the watching disciples could understand. At that time, His duty was to the people of Israel, not to the Gentiles (Matthew 15:24). Recklessly taking His attention from Israel, in violation of His mission, would be like a father taking food from his children in order to throw it to their pets (Matthews 15:26). The exact word Jesus used here, in Greek, was kunarion, meaning “small dog” or “pet dog.” This is a completely different word from the term kuon, used to refer to unspiritual people or to an “unclean” animal.
Jesus frequently tested people to prove their intentions, often through response questions or challenges (see John 4:16–18; and 4:50–53). His response to the Canaanite woman is similar. In testing her, Jesus declined her request and explained that she had no legitimate expectation of His help. The woman, however, lived out the principle Jesus Himself taught in the parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1–8). Her response proved that she understood fully what Jesus was saying, yet had enough conviction to ask anyway (Matthew 15:27). Jesus acknowledged her faith—calling it “great”—and granted her request (Matthew 15:28).
So, according to both the context and language involved, Jesus wasn’t referring to the Canaanite woman as a “dog,” either directly or indirectly. He wasn’t using an epithet or racial slur but making a point about the priorities He’d been given by God. He was also testing the faith of the woman and teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanite-woman-dog.html
The author refuses to read Scripture as a whole. Jesus many times provoked people to respond to him, in order to expose the traditions that ran counter to God’s will. This is eisegesis and it is plain silly .
The woman did not have a correct perspective as she said to Jesus “Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David” (Mat 15:22) but the woman is not a Jew and Jesus ignored her. Jesus mission was to present the Kingdom to Israel as he told his disciples. The woman comes again not addressing him with his Jewish title “Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me.” Then Jesus discoursed with the woman and showed her faith as a witness to the disciples. But if you don’t believe in who Jesus says he is how would you know he was schooling his disciples.
More evil than the Gnostics, "intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," (Colossians 2:18) And idolaters, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Romans 1:22),
The Lord knew what He was doing just as He did when He asked the downcast bewildered disciples on the road to Damascus, "what things" that they were sad about. (LK. 24:15-19)
The Lord tested her faith and set her as an example to the Jewish disciples present. The Lord fully intended to help as He did to all who came to Him out of poor and contrite heart. And while the term "dog" seemed to be a put down (and perhaps denoted little puppies), the Lord called Jews "evil" (Mt. 7:11) and Jacob himself was called a "worm" by God: "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel." (Isaiah 41:14)
Likewise the Lord of the nation of worms would help this women, and it was by no means the Lord who was schooled but the disciples that were present who would have been very insulted by such an insult. The use of "dog" served to remind her and confirm to the Jews that she was one who have no covenantal right to expect God would grant her ahead of His chosen people. She was basically like an immigrant who did not have the rights of a civilian. Yet this women did not even flinch, but exampled the kind of humble yet determined faith that, like the wrestler Jacob, was determined to obtain her favor of the Lord. And which the disciples needed, as well as us.
And it also exampled that those who were outside the Abrahamic covenant by blood, also had access to Christ an could become fellow citizen with Jews in the kingdom of God. Which would be realized under the New Covenant. And like him, the Lord fully intended to help this women, who has not at all offended due to some pride, but
maybe this woman priest can explain to God How God’s Son ‘got schooled’ at judgment day- I bet God will be really impressed with her faulty logic-
Jesus was God and all knowing. This lady is nutz.
Its a shame what has happened to the Episcopal Church.
Ruined by lesbian / gay pastors, activists who twist the word of God however they see fit.
I will hate to see their faces on judgement day. They will be so self assured, it will be sad.
It must amuse God to observe finite humans attempt to apprehend the mind of an infinite God.
Hence the old adage; if you wish to amuse God tell him of your plans.