How the Rosary Led Me to Christ

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-07-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[ealgeone]

Yes....and not once is that a title. Check the Greek to see how it is used.

[ealgeone]

Catholic sources say it cannot be brought forward from the Word.

If it cannot be brought forward from the Word, that means it's not in there.

You will also note in that article there is not universal agreement among the ECFs on this issue either.

When viewed in totality the Immaculate Conception is not supported from a Scriptural perspective nor from the ECFs as a universal belief.

There is considerable support and evidence for the Trinity in the Word.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[ealgeone]

Mary was born without sin. She HAD to be.

She was not free of sin.

Why does she "have to be"?

[ealgeone]

I did not think I was making it personal but will as always abide by the note.

[DungeonMaster]

Have you ever delved into the Immaculate Conception and what it means?

It's right in the bible.

[ealgeone]

Even though catholic apologists say it isn't??

Where do you think it is?

[DungeonMaster]

John 16:26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.

This verse tells me that I can go direct to the Father thanks to what The Lord has done for me. Why would I go to a middle woman never even mentioned as an intercessor?

[DungeonMaster]

Where do you think it is?

I should have put a sarcasm off tag.

I just posted John 16:26 which tells me not to even go though Jesus but straight to the Father.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I explain it.

You explain it away.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It’ll do for an adjective.

[vladimir998]

“Yet now where in the NT do we have such an admonition to love Mary and Jesus equally.”

Yet now where in the article do we have such an admonition to love Mary and Jesus equally as you just claimed?

“This would contradict the greatest commandment would it not?”

What is contradicted is what you just claimed since no one said it.

[delchiante]

From the how to pray the rosary instructions that came with a set of Rosary beads-

Quote attributed to ‘Mary’
Promise 1 of 15. Whosoever shall faithfully SERVE ME (Rome’s Mary)by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.

It is written in Luke 4:8
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written , Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and HIM ONLY shalt thou SERVE.

In the testimony of the Living Word quoting the Written Word, this Mary is a liar.

This false prophetess points to her son Jesus (promise 14.all who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ)

This Mary then must point to a False Christ because no lie is of the Truth- 1 John 2:21

So who is Rome’s Mary? She must be a lying prophetess that points to a false christ!
Unless she is being mistranslated in the published promises the Roman Catholic church member handed out to me-

A lying ounterfeit false Roman Mary that points to a counterfeit false Roman Jesus. In her very first promise she gives for praying the rosary..

contradicts her ‘son’ and His Word with her own..

For eyes to see or ears to hear..

Get behind me Satan indeed!

[avenir]

He is arguing against her elevation, there is no hatred.

[avenir]

“It’s just not worth it anymore to engage “the usual suspects”. It’s just not.”

Pope’s blog is posted as non-Caucus usually. Maybe this one should have been (in the interest of forestalling disagreement)?

[eastsider]

There is considerable support and evidence for the Trinity in the Word.

Indeed there is. Yet "no direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture." If there had been "direct or categorical and stringent proof" of the dogma of the Trinity, it would not have taken over 400 years after the death of Christ to finalize it at the Council of Chalcedon.

In other words, there is a distinction between "categorical proof" and "support."

We're still waiting to hear about the Roman Catholic apologists who admit that the Immaculate Conception is not supported in the NT.

[ADSUM]

She is the Mother of God.

Mary is a very special person. He called her sinful. He has no knowledge of that. That is a purposeful put down and was not done in a Christian way.

Mary is a very humble loving person that followed God’s will completely and Catholics recognize and honor her as the Mother of God.

[chud]

I greet you, ever blessed Virgin, Mother of God, throne of grace, miracle of almighty power! I greet you, sanctuary of the Most Holy Trinity and Queen of the Universe, Mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Most loving Mother, attracted by your beauty and sweetness, and by your tender compassion, I confidently turn to you, and beg of you obtain for me of your dear Son the favor I request in this novena: (state your specific request or intention here!)
Obtain for me also, Queen of Heaven, the most lively contrition for my many sins and the grace to imitate closely those virtues which you practiced so faithfully, especially humility, purity and obedience. Above all, I beg you to be my mother and protectress, to receive me into number of your devoted children, and to guide me from your high throne of glory.
Do not reject my petitions, Mother of mercy! Have pity on me, and do not abandon me during life or at the moment of my death. Daughter of the Eternal Father, Mother of the Eternal Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, Temple of the Adorable Trinity, pray for me. Immaculate and tender Heart of Mary, refuge of the needy and hope of sinners, filled with the most lively respect, love, and gratitude, I devote myself forever to your service, and I offer you my heart with all that I am and all that is mine.
Accept this offering, sweet Queen of Heaven and Earth, and obtain for me of your dear Son, Jesus Christ, the favors I ask through your intercession in this novena. Obtain for me also a generous, constant love of God, perfect submission to His holy Will, the true spirit of a Christian, and the grace of final perseverance. Amen.

defconw: Thanks for posting this (Annunciation Novena).

[verga]

The love of a created, sinful, being is better than the Creator's love??

I don't see the word "better" any where in his sentence. I do see the words"more natural, safer, and more accessible. My Thesaurus does not give any of them as a synonym for "better".

[verga]

Our prayers are with you and her. Verga and wife.