Posted on 10/13/2015 8:08:21 AM PDT by Salvation
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I made a mistake. Thanks.
Do you know any Arab Christians? If you would have a conversation with them, you would probably find out why you are having such a difficult time with this topic.
I’m not aware of any who do!
That’s the bottom line!
Most people don't understand the Hebrew and Arabic languages so they would not understand the difference.
I’ve seen this movie before; so many Gentiles falsely claim they are Jews. Where were they during the Holocaust ?
False; I answered your question with a no. You may not understand the answer, but it is the correct answer.
Okay, I understand you to write that the Jews profess to worship and adore the same God of Abraham that you profess to worship and adore.
Okay, I understand you to write that the Jews profess to worship and adore the same God of Abraham that you profess to worship and adore and that it makes no difference to this fact even though they deny Jesus is the Messiah and that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same God.
I understand enough to know Jehovah of the Bible is not Allah of the Koran. Or do you thin they’re the same??
You calling the poster a liar? Are you presuming to know his background??
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
I believe that much of the misunderstandings that are rife on this thread are caused by the different styles and modes of communications and learning that have occurred through the 2000 or so years since Jesus walked among us.
Now that most people are texting and tweeting information the “truths” we are passing down are becoming more corrupted and error filled since the key objective is to keep it simple which often does not lend itself to the pursuit of truth. Additionally with all of the technology (radios,newspapers,printed materials,smart phones,internet, television ad infinitum) dedicated to passing along info there is little time to think free of distractions and noise. Add to that the different languages,interpretations and translation of the written word whether tradition or scripture and one can see how these back and forths get us nowhere. In other words it is difficult to be a “truth seeker” these days.
Nonetheless,dialoguing is a good way to pursue truths but one must always be aware that it probably is best to present the position they hold or their particular religious denomination holds and answer the question posed by the asker without denigrating the others beliefs. So often when I read others assessments of what I and other Catholics believe I am surprised at the the lack of understanding of what Catholicism is all about. I also know that there are many Catholics that have fallen away because they thought the commandments and the seven deadly sins were just fabricated and were too harsh,some fell away because of true sadness and disappointment of some of the sins of other members,others left because they no longer believed in God and started thinking they were god and yet others left because Catholicism can be quite intellectually challenging and they couldn’t quite “get it”. That is one reason I do believe the magisterium is a great gift to the world and the church.
In any case I think we could bring more people to God by less sniping and presenting our own beliefs cogently and correctly.Just my thoughts. and to .45Long Colt. Look at all the references mentioned next to the citation and you will find that some will bring you to the Church Fathers and others to Corinthians and the gospel of John and one or two other scriptural verses.But it takes a long time and you may not want to spend the time but I think you might enjoy it.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Enjoy the ignorance.
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
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