“Again- God would have had to keep adam and eve alive for a couple billion years or 1000 years (where the bible states 1 day = 1000 years if this is what some claim days t mean in creation)”
1) God can do whatever He wants.
2) If a “day” is something other than 24 hours, then it can be whatever duration God wants it to be.
“There’s no need for me to stay away from it because the bible is clear about what kind of death happened before fall, and it wasn’t soul death- plants which have no soul died before the fall, those with souls did not”
1) All living creatures have souls - they just don’t all have rational souls. Only human beings have rational souls.
2) There was no death of human beings before the Fall for there were only two human beings other than Adam and Eve. Belief in pre-adamite people (Preadamism) is a heresy. Don’t embrace it. The Bible tells us that Adam was the first biological man—in Genesis 1–5; Deuteronomy 32:8; 1 Chronicles 1:1; Luke 3:38; Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45; 1 Timothy 2:13; and Jude 1:14.
“The term the bible uses is “nephesh.†it means soul- there was no soul death before the fall”
There’s no “soul death” ever for any human being for there is judgment after death of the body. That means there is a living soul after the body dies. Death = the separation of the body from the soul. Some ignorant people mistake some Biblical references to persons (called souls) as actual literal references to souls rather than complete persons.
“Yes there is reason to think God didn’t infact keep them alive for billions of years”
There might be, but a “day’ doesn’t have to be billions of years. You keep ignoring that point.
“The top Hebrew scholars all agree that the writer of Genesis 1 intended the word day to mean 24 hours. If they all agree . . . then why can’t we?”
1) Not all “top Hebrew scholars” actually agree on that.
2) Some of the top Hebrew scholars in the world don’t believe in Christ. Should we believe them?
[[1) God can do whatever He wants.]]
[[2) If a “day†is something other than 24 hours, then it can be whatever duration God wants it to be.]]
Yes Vlad, God can do what he wants- however, He did what He did and the science backs up a recent creation, not one that was billions of years ago-
I just read this morning an article about “Mitochondrial entropy”. Secualr scientists studying the genome looked for know mutation rates in females and discovered several times that the rate of mutations per generation puts the “Motochondrial Eve” (The first woman) at a date not more than 6800 years ago- These studies were NOT done by creationists, and they were done several times and always came up with roughly the same dates- They also studied mutation rates in males, and also found the date of original male to be between 6800 and 10000 years ago
I stated there is al to of evidence that shows the earth is not infact billions of years old, and this one study alone is a death blow to the evolutionary time line proposed by Darwinian hypothesis - as is the fact that evolution is biologically, thermodynamically, mathematically, chemically, physically and naturally impossible- These are all very serious hurdles that those who believe in long ages and evolution can not over come
[[1) All living creatures have souls - they just don’t all have rational souls. Only human beings have rational souls.]]
I suggest you do a biblical word study of the word “Nephesh”- As I stated, the Hebrews were VERY specific in what words they used- they didn’t just use any old words they wanted, they used words that have very specific meanings- Nephesh is one of those words which speaks only about the death of those who’s souls go on for eternity
[[1) Not all “top Hebrew scholars†actually agree on that.]]
That is not what the sentence stated- There are of course some who disagree however, they MUST rewrite the bible in roder to support their claims
[[There’s no “soul death†ever for any human being for there is judgment after death of the body.]]
That is not what the term soul means in the word Nephesh- it simply means that higher life does not die In the same manner as lower life like plants do- The ‘soul’ meaning of Nephesh simply means higher life- not eternal soul- the point of this distinction is that before Adam fell, there was no death in higher life, BUT there was death in lower life forms- Plants do not die In the same sense that man does
the reason for the importance of making this distinction is that long age proponents NEED for there to be death in higher life forms to support their claim- or to invoke special supernatural power to life for billions of years- However, as We’ve seen with mitochondrial entropy, the scientific evidence shows that the span of life on earth agrees with young earth claims of 6500-10000 years old, as does the Radio Halos evidence found in rocks that hsow a sudden and recent creation
[[There might be, but a “day’ doesn’t have to be billions of years. You keep ignoring that point.]]
You’re confusing me- Now you seem to be suggesting that I think 1 day meant a billion years? (You were previously trying to argue that 1 day could = a billion years, or however many years God wants it to = but I’ve been hsowign evidence that shows 1 day meant a literal 24 hour day all along) If so that is certainly not the case at all
[[2) There was no death of human beings before the Fall for there were only two human beings other than Adam and Eve. Belief in pre-adamite people (Preadamism) is a heresy. Don’t embrace it.]]
OK- you seem to be confused by what I am saying- I’ve been making the case that there was no Nephesh death before the fall- I most defiantly have not been making the case that there were people before Adam- I’m not sure how you’ve concluded that that was my position when I’ve clearly been arguing just the opposite?