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To: markomalley

>>Because Islam, as I have said many times, is a form of protestantism and was founded as a protest against the Church...I would go so far as to say that Islam is a pre-Reformation protestant sect.

Luther’s protest was against certain things that the church was doing at the time. Oddly enough, the church stopped doing almost all of those things because he was right.

Islam is a protest against the deity of Jesus Christ, not the excesses of an out of control church.

The Reformation didn’t become the Protestant church until after Rome had excommunicated the Reformers.

I noticed that his conversation with an evangelical happened “years ago”. How many years? He would find that the evangelical view of the Crusades has changed quite a bit in the last decade, due to the activities of Islam and the fact that people are more educated about the real history of the Crusades now.


2 posted on 12/07/2015 3:56:35 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

“Luther’s protest was against certain things that the church was doing at the time. Oddly enough, the church stopped doing almost all of those things because he was right.”

No. Whatever the Church put a stop to it did so because she considered them wrong not because Luther did.

“The Reformation didn’t become the Protestant church until after Rome had excommunicated the Reformers.”

Not exactly. Luther’s beliefs - such as sola fide - were already heretical before he was formally excommunicated and those heretical beliefs formed the underpinnings of his heretical and schismatic sect. His schismatic body may not have taken full form until it was cut out of the Body of Christ like the cancer it was by his excommunication, but there can be no doubt the sect he was forming was not orthodox long before his excommunication.

“How many years? He would find that the evangelical view of the Crusades has changed quite a bit in the last decade, due to the activities of Islam and the fact that people are more educated about the real history of the Crusades now.”

Among some Evangelicals their views of the Crusades has changed, but all that proves is that the Evangelicals were wrong for decades or centuries and now have changed their views out of necessity and still have not admitted their errors on the Crusades. Someone could make the case that the only reason we are having problems with Islam now is that Protestantism arose in the 16th century.


5 posted on 12/07/2015 4:52:36 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Bryanw92; markomalley
Because Islam, as I have said many times, is a form of protestantism and was founded as a protest against the Church...I would go so far as to say that Islam is a pre-Reformation protestant sect.

I picked up on this too and disagree with the author. In reality, Islam is a heresy.

It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. It vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was_not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. Read More

7 posted on 12/07/2015 4:57:40 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: Bryanw92

I agree with all of your points and am glad someone made them. Luther himself realized the evil of Islam and started calling it the “Scourge of God” and that it had to be fought against.

The reason the whole world talked about Rome, is because it was the capitol of the Empire. If the Christian Church could even be there, then that was something to talk about. And all the Christians talked to Paul about Rome, because he was going there, and he knew he would die there.

Nobody talked about Rome’s primacy except those who wanted Rome to be primary. Everybody else talked about their own area and their work. Romish leaders couldn’t handle that they were not needed, so they started the idea that they were given special authority.

But back to your point, even today, many Fundamental Christians still think of Rome as the “Whore of Babylon”, but none of them want to see Rome fall under the Caliphate. They know which enemy is far more dangerous.


10 posted on 12/07/2015 5:02:51 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Bryanw92

“Islam is a protest against the deity of Jesus Christ, not the excesses of an out of control church.”

Rather, Islam is SATAN’S war against the God and Savior Jesus Christ.


12 posted on 12/07/2015 5:10:13 AM PST by Biggirl ("Otne Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Bryanw92
Because Islam, as I have said many times, is a form of protestantism and was founded as a protest against the Church...I would go so far as to say that Islam is a pre-Reformation protestant sect.

BS, islam was started by a false angel that mohamed did not test, it is a whole new religion/government. Mohamed did not even learn his Christanity from real Christians but a cult of Marionites, which had already bastardized Christianity which is why their "God" has no clue what Christians believe(tells you right off their god is not all knowing).

Islam has nothing to do with Protestantism which happened because the Catholic Church was not following the "Bible". Protestantism was a call for the church to return to the word's of God, not a new religion.

20 posted on 12/07/2015 5:39:28 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Bryanw92
I noticed that his conversation with an evangelical happened “years ago”. How many years? He would find that the evangelical view of the Crusades has changed quite a bit in the last decade, due to the activities of Islam and the fact that people are more educated about the real history of the Crusades now.

That may be true of some of the evangelicals, but there are a fair number here on FR that will disagree with that statement.

53 posted on 12/07/2015 11:34:33 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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