How do you square your Christian faith with hatred of Muslims? (VANITY)

As one looks at the articles and comments found on Free Republic, you can see the complete and utter loathing, disgust, and outright hatred towards Muslims. It is viewed as a justified hatred, built on the actions Muslims have taken for decades against Americans and others. Notable attacks include the Beirut bombing of the Marine barracks, Beslan in Russia, the recent San Bernadino attack, and of course 9/11.

However, I was challenged by a few friends recently as to how a professing Christian can have a deep-seated hatred for Muslims. They reminded me of Jesus' command to love one another. They pointed out that He wasn't just talking about Christians loving other Christians (which can be difficult sometimes), but about Christians loving people in their communities...even those one may count as an enemy.

It's been pointed out to me that Christ's death on the cross wasn't just for me...it was also for the Muslim. He wants them to come to know Him as their Savior just as much as He wants us...or me...to. The problem they see is that someone won't want to come to know Christ if those who say they're His followers are in your face telling you that they hate you.

When I point out to them about the danger that Muslims have time and time again posed to society, they argue that Jesus didn't care if they were dangerous- He wanted His followers to love them, And, if that love had an element of risk associated with it, His followers were to love them anyway. A reminder of what that looks like can be seen in the story of the Christian men who ended up martyred by the Auca tribe in South America.

In any case, what they said is making me think. I want to know how one can reconcile a hatred for Muslims with Jesus' command to love people. It does seem that you can't do one and do the other as well. Yes...I am aware I may very well be opening up a huge can of worms, but this has been bugging me and I wanted to discuss it with my fellow FReepers.

I think what a lot of outreaching Christians here overlook is that in the eyes of devout Muslims, we are not only what they usually call “infidels”, but APOSTATES as well.

How is that possible, an apostate is someone who leaves a religion. We were never Muslims, they assert.

They are wrong because according to the Koran EVERY HUMAN IS BORN MUSLIM; this is the doctrine of “fitra”. Every human thus is born Muslim but most are “led astray” by their parents into religions other than Islam.

This explains why, when “infidel”s become Muslim by reciting Shahadah before male Muslim witnesses, they are said to “revert” rather than “convert” to Islam, and are even referred to by Muslims as “reverts”.

It also explains why Muslims when approached by a Christian giving witness, often react with tremendous anger. The Christian is asking them to become someone described in the Koran as “the worst of all creatures” when as Muslims, they are already “the best of all peoples” in the eyes of their god Allah.

So...hate Islam but love Muslims? Hatred is a powerful thing and should be directed only at individuals who have earned it; Tashfeen Malik is just one of many examples.

On the other hand, loving even one member of a religion that has proven extremely dangerous toward what it deems “infidels”, is IMO highly problematic.

In the case of Muslims, I’m going with guilty until proven innocent, and the proof is leaving Islam forever.

Even “infidels” have a right to safety for themselves & their families.

Deus vult!

Why do muslims hate Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, Women, Children, Homosexuals, Western Civilization, Freedom, and even each other?

Why does the “religion of peace” always get a pass no matter what horrific thing they do? Its not like 9/11 was an isolated event. For 1400 years, the followers of Mad Mo have been stealing, killing, raping, enslaving, and destroying nations all over the planet. At what point does the civilized world, no matter what belief system they call home, say enough?

The fact that islam kills more muslims than any other group, reveals the necessity for it to be stopped by any means necessary for the sake of humanity. How many more muslim women will be stoned, or have acid thrown in their face? How many more girls will be mutilated, or be victims of “honor” killings? How many more boys will be molested? How many more wars will be fought between sunni and shia factions? How many more homosexuals will be tossed off of buildings? How many more children will grow up learning how to make an IED or use an AK-47 before they can write a sentence?

When will islam answer these questions?

... it is now my job to consider what has been written and to make my own personal decision on how I want to conduct myself from now on.

It's also your job to educate yourself and your friends about the true nature of Islam. In your OP you said you "looked" at the articles and posts, but did you really look at them? I think you probably didn't. How will you impart knowledge to your "friends" if you lack thorough knowledge of Islam yourself? It isn't hate speech to teach the truth about something - even Islam. So why don't you send the following links to your friends and encourage them to discover for themselves what Islam is really all about:

Stephen Coughlin: Lectures on National Security & Counterterror Analysis

Bill Warner, PhD: Why We Are Afraid: 1400 Years of Fear

Walid Shoebat Full Explosive Interview with Michael Savage (12-4-15)

May I remind you when Jesus was nailed to the cross, there were two others nailed to crosses with him. One asked for forgiveness and one did not. Our actions have consequences, both here on earth and after death. The criminal who asked to be forgiven, gained eternal life; the other awaits his judgement day.

Jesus entered the temple and confronted the "money-changers", he quoted from Isaiah 56:7 in the OT, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers." - Matt 21:13

"So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." - John 2:14

In John 8, Jesus saved a woman from death by shaming those intent on stoning her. By shamming followers of Mohammed, aren't we also perhaps saving lives? Furthermore, please tell me WHY speaking out about a true nature of something is considered "hate speech", especially when doing so may help to save the lives and souls of countless millions suffering under its evil teachings?

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Ezekiel 33 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: 'When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, 3 when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchmanâ€™s hand.'"

Matt 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

I could go on and on with examples and logic, but allow me to summarize by saying, you, your friends, and all Americans must become more knowledgeable of Islam and especially Bible scripture.

Kudos for bringing up a subject that indeed needs to be discussed. It isn't the Muslims that are hated, it's a doctrine of evil and the actions of those who follow the teachings of the Quran.

Islam has encoded in its teachings- murder, lying, plunder, slavery, rape, warfare, and even terrorism as part of its official religious doctrine. Jesus said that the thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy, and this is exactly what Islam has done from its beginning. No other religion so completely fits the description in the Bible of the beast and false prophet than Islam.

Islam is different from all the other religions that do not believe in Jesus, because Islam officially declares that Jesus is not the Son of God (Quran 4: 171; 18: 4-5), which is the Biblical definition of Antichrist: "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son" (1 John 2: 22).

The spread of Islam has left a trail of blood, suffering, and destruction like no other ideology in world history. History, and even this present age, shows us that Islam is a very violent and fascist religion, full of hate for Christians and Jews. No one could invent a more evil cult.

The question is fair and I wrestle with living an authentic faith that does not deny Christ. Here is where I am, personally, in my understanding of how to deal with Islam and Muslims:

I endeavor to hate no man, even the most vile among them. That is extremely hard to do, admittedly, as I find Obama contemptible. But, I have found that hatred leads to hardening of my heart, and that grieves the Holy Spirit by quenching His work in me.

If I have the opportunity to encounter a Muslim one-on-one and discuss matters of faith, I will tell them who I am in Christ Jesus. I will give a defense of my faith, but I will also offer to them the hope that is found in the Lord. It is a sad thing to see someone who is bound by Satan and needs salvation, yet rejects the truth to chase after idols.

However, we are instructed that the Lord has instituted governments for the purpose of punishing evildoers. It is not wrong for Christians to ask our leaders to protect our land from Muslims who seek to kill us. In fact, it is evil to encourage government to abandon their true calling. In America, our system of governance is based upon the consent of the People, and we cannot afford to be silent.

In the end, I pray that God would forgive my ignorant, foolish heart and help me to understand truth.

Mostly, my friends have said I’m wrong to not accept Muslims and try to understand them. They say I shouldn’t be afraid of them because “they don’t believe what you think they do”.

I ask them about ‘taqiyya’, but they don’t have an answer for me. That ONE thing, taqiyya, makes it very difficult (if not impossible) for me to trust what a Muslim says. The part of me that still believes there’s at least a little good in everyone is over-ridden by the knowledge that these people are given permission by their belief to lie to my face. They may tell you they like you and that you’re their friend....right up until they stab you in the back or shoot you in the head.

I have prayed about it, but haven’t received any kind of answer...yet.

(So you know...I’d love nothing better than to sit down with an ex-Muslim who has rejected the evil of their belief and enjoy a good football game while munching on pork rinds and a good cheese and bacon dip.)

Numerous scholars have attempted to tie Baal to Allah. My thinking for a time as well. After more study, I'm not too sure that's an accurate assumption. Baal is mentioned a number of times in the Bible and is certainly an evil/cruel deity. Worship included sacrificing children in a fire built inside the idol. Baal is also mentioned with references to the end of age "Mystery Babylon".

Regardless, one thing is certain; the Almighty isn't fond of mankind worshiping other deity's. And Allah, by any stretch, is NOT the God of Abraham as Muslim's claim. It's more likely Allah resulted from Mohammed attempting to construct a belief system from whatever knowledge of religion he had at the time best fitting his narrative on Islam.

Mohammed's Islam is akin to other fake, pagan cults, and shares similar baseless ideologies revolving around satanic lusts for sex, torture, murder, immortality, and domination of all others. Attempting to make sense of Islam is completely senseless, IMO.

Walid Shoebat has the view that Allah may actually be Tammuz - if that is who Allah really represents.

Tammuz

What's coming on the world isn't going to be the first time the Almighty chastised those worshiped this particular demon, Tammuz:

Ezekiel 8:13 And He said to me, "Turn again, and you will see greater abominations that they are doing." 14 So He brought me to the door of the north gate of the Lord's house; and to my dismay, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+8&version=NKJV

Thank you! In my studies of Semitic mythology years ago, I understood that Tammuz was out of the Ba’al system of pagan gods, and that Tammuz is also compared to Mithra. In Psalms 83 we are told that the Ishmaelites did not worship the God Yahweh, and that makes it unlikely that the name Allah can be associated with Eloi. They did worship Allah at that time, as one of the members of their pagan system, possibly the head of it. Given that, Jesus would not have uttered the expression Eloi, Eloi if Eloi was the same as Allah.

I have been reading Shoebat’s studies, and watching some of his videos. They are very interesting. It has been decades since I have paid any attention to interpretations of prophecy, but given the times we are in, my interest has been renewed. I find the connection of Islamic worship centered in Mecca to Mystery Babylon difficult to reject. Also, the contention that the Beast will come out of Turkey as the head of an Islamic union seems well grounded in scripture.

The many twists and turns in Semitic mythology/paganism can get confounding when looking at the various names of deities. That’s why simplifying it through symbolism is useful, such as tracing the use of the crescent and star. Ba’al is as much a system of worship, as it is the name of a particular deity.

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