[SweetAkitoRose]

A few days late, but still very interesting, both on a religious and scientific level!

[Olog-hai]

Islam also claims a virgin birth for Jesus. It further claims, however, that Allah does not produce sons.

[Raycpa]

Okay, they are cool with the God concept but not cool with the idea the creator can cause a virgin to be pregnant.

[D Rider]

Of course if joeseph is the father, God failed in his blood curse against jeconia of whom Joseph is a defendant, and of whom Jesus gains the right to be king of the Jews. And there is much much more to support a virgin birth that predates the gospel period by centuries.

[SweetAkitoRose]

This article isn’t a theological or scriptural analysis, but a presentation of DNA research. I strongly recommend reading the full article.

[mjp]

As recounted by Dr. Tipler in his book The Physics of Christianity (2007), whereas the results of a DNA test of a famous person such as Jesus normally would be published in English in a major scientific journal (English being the lingua franca of the world scientific community), not so the results of this DNA test.

In his fascinating book Tipler states:

1) there are three distinct singularities that are actually parts of the one cosmological singularity, that could correspond to the Trinity
2) a mechanism for dematerializing and materializing an object by means of neutrinos can be a method of universal resurrection in the future. The image of Jesus on the shroud of Turin would have certain features we would expect to arise in the neutrino dematerialization process
3) the virgin birth was possible because Jesus was a XX male
4) the miracle of the star of Bethlehem was a supernova in the Andromeda Galaxy.
5) human history will end in about 50 years and we will face the Great Tribulation in about 50 years

[georgiegirl]

Good article. We’ve followed the Shroud of Turin for decades, and have wondered if DNA tests have been done on the ancient blood stains. Very interesting about the XX male chromosome results.

[TBP]

One is the Criterion of Embarrassment, according to which it is human nature to write in a manner that puts the author and his cause in a positive, instead of embarrassing or negative, light. The authors of the canonical Gospels are no exception. And so, with this criterion in mind, it is reasonable for us to infer that biblical passages that place Jesus or His mother in an unflattering light, such as Mary’s premarital pregnancy, are likely to be true.

It would seem to imply the opposite to me. Telling a story of a virgin birth puts both Marty and Jesus in a positive, not a negative light. She was still a virgin, according to the story.

There is no way that this is unflattering. Besides, she was with her husband.

[TBP]

BTW, the “begats” (the beginning of Matthew) trace Jesus’s family tree — according to JOSEPH’S lineage, not Mary’s. But if he’s only Mary’s son and not Joseph’s, then that lineage is irrelevant and the point it’s making is moot.

[Swordmaker]

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[Duchess47]

That’s a fascinating article. I was not aware that DNA tests had been done.

[DungeonMaster]

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I don't need no stinking "science" to prove Who Jesus is.

[Bellflower]

Jesus could inherit His title of King through Mary if Mary did not have any brothers to get the birth right. It then will skip down through Mary and into her first born son providing she marries someone from her own tribe. Jesus through adoption also inherits through Joseph. He likely double inherited His titles.

[Jaded]

Interesting. Thx