Posted on 01/17/2016 10:48:30 AM PST by ebb tide
But giving Nostra Aetate such weight, despite it only being a declaration and not a doctrinal text, has led some to see it as having a revolutionary impact, possibly breaking with nearly two millennia of Church teaching and tradition. Documents from the Councils of Florence 1438-1445 and Trent 1545-1563 seem to radically contradict the current teaching, leading some to believe this not to be a development of doctrine but a corruption of it.
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
When “tradition” contradicts the words of Jesus and the NT, I pick Jesus and the NT!
From the Christian confession that there can be only one path to salvation, however, it does not in any way follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the Son of God.....That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.
17. On the part of many of the Church Fathers the so-called replacement theory or supersessionism steadily gained favour until in the Middle Ages it represented the standard theological foundation of the relationship with Judaism: the promises and commitments of God would no longer apply to Israel because it had not recognised Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God, but had been transferred to the Church of Jesus Christ which was now the true ‘new Israel’, the new chosen people of God. Arising from the same soil, Judaism and Christianity in the centuries after their separation became involved in a theological antagonism which was only to be defused at the Second Vatican Council. With its Declaration "Nostra aetate" (No.4) the Church unequivocally professes, within a new theological framework, the Jewish roots of Christianity. While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ, the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel. A replacement or supersession theology which sets against one another two separate entities, a Church of the Gentiles and the rejected Synagogue whose place it takes, is deprived of its foundations. From an originally close relationship between Judaism and Christianity a long-term state of tension had developed, which has been gradually transformed after the Second Vatican Council into a constructive dialogue relationship.
Are you suggesting that preaching the gospel to Jews is "going against Israel" or do you mean something else?
A core tenet of Christianity is proclaiming the gospel (good news), that Messiah came, died for mankind's sins and will come again. To say that Christians are against Israel because they share Yeshua is nonsense. If you love someone, you tell them the truth in love. If that love is rejected or not believed, you continue loving and praying for that person but also respect their free will. Parents with adult children understand this principal.
In a free society, we need the right to say what we believe to other people. Without saying, any discourse should be civil and without threats of beheading.
You can't have it both ways. There is only ONE way.
"I AM the way, the truth and the life. NO MAN (includes Jews) comes to the Father but THROUGH ME." - Jesus
What part of Jesus' words doesn't the Pope and heretical theologians understand?
From the Baltimore Catechism in 1885:
During the life of Our Lord and for a short time after His death they preached in only one country, viz., Palestine--now called the Holy Land--in which country the Jews, up to that time God's chosen people, lived.
Pope Pius XI in his Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, a liturgical prayer issued simultaneously in 1925 with his encyclical Quas Primas:
Turn Thine eyes of mercy towards the children of that race, once Thy chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Savior; may It now descend upon them, a laver of redemption and of life.
and in Pope Pius XI's Cum Supremae in 1928:
The Catholic Church has always been accustomed to pray for the Jewish people, who were the depository of divine promises up until the arrival of Jesus Christ, notwithstanding their subsequent blindness, or rather, because of this very blindness. Moved by that charity, the Apostolic See has protected the same people from unjust ill-treatment, and just as it censures all hatred and enmity among people, so it altogether condemns in the highest degree possible hatred against the people once chosen by God, viz., the hatred that now is what is usually meant in common parlance by the term known generally as anti-Semitism.
Anyone who suggests that pre-Vatican II Church teaching through its universal ordinary magisterium was anything other than "the Jews are no longer the Chosen People" is blind. Anyone who suggests that the above teaching is anti-Semitic labels the Catholic Church as being anti-Semitic for hundreds of years.
The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, etc. are all failed empires. They all have something in common that led to their demise.
You can preach all you want, as it’s not for my benefit but your own selfish need —which btw you can fulfill by preaching to those who don’t know God at all.
God placed a protective spiritual dome around the Jews to ward off such attempts, and there’s no way you, a mere mortal trolling the internet, will break that bond.
It’s the ultimate act against God to do so, which is why it’s not an institutional mandate in traditional Christian organizations, i.e. no more Department of Convert or Kill The Jews.
Wonderful article; loving it.
... There are not two paths to salvation according to the expression "Jews hold to the Torah, Christians hold to Christ." Christian faith proclaims that Christ's work of salvation is universal and involves all mankind. God's word is one single and undivided reality which takes concrete form in each respective historical context.You got any problem with those doctrines?Since God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel, there cannot be different paths or approaches to God's salvation. The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jewish path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth, would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith.
Confessing the universal and therefore also exclusive mediation of salvation through Jesus Christ belongs to the core of Christian faith. . . . [T]he Church and Judaism cannot be represented as "two parallel ways to salvation."
Christians are nonetheless called to bear witness to their faith in Jesus Christ also to Jews, although they should do so in a humble and sensitive manner, acknowledging that Jews are bearers of God's Word, and particularly in view of the great tragedy of the Shoah [i.e., the Holocaust] (GCGI 40).
Jesus ... calls his Church from both Jews and Gentiles (cf. Eph 2:11-22) on the basis of faith in Christ and by means of baptism, through which there is incorporation into his Body which is the Church (GCGI 41).
It is and remains a qualitative definition of the Church of the New Covenant that it consists of Jews and Gentiles, even if the quantitative proportions of Jewish and Gentile Christians may initially give a different impression [GCGI 43]
The real mystery is:
Why do so many FReepers trust "news" sources which leave out the key doctrinal quotes?
This position/teaching is at best confusing and at worst a lie! Satan is the author of confusion and Lord knows, we are hearing mixed messages coming out of Rome.
Well, of course. However, "Apostolic Tradition" doesn't come out of a hat. It's tried and true, the way it SHOULD be, not what people want it to be. It's sure more than "putting up the tree on Christmas Eve," or some such trite, man-made "tradition."
Making Apostolic Tradition condradicting the Word of God trivializes it beyond all things. "Peter's Chair," for one, has a LONG tradition, going back to its Judeac roots.
But, I know you meant nothing disrespectful, only writing for clarity.
You can preach all you want, as it's not for my benefit but your own selfish need.. That's your opinion and it's a lie.
God placed a protective spiritual dome around the Jews to ward off such attempts...God is no respecter of persons. Jesus is a Jew. The church was built on Jewish apostles and disciples. The NT is written by Jews. Jews and gentiles have followed Yeshua the Messiah for 2000 years. Jews and gentiles have rejected Yeshua the Messiah for 2000 years. We are all free to decide and preach.
...no more Department of Convert or Kill The Jews.How would you like me to say, "no more Jewish Department to Kill and Pervert Jesus and Christians ..."
We shouldn't get into name calling particularly when it's based on hatred and lies.
Since God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel, there cannot be different paths or approaches to God's salvation.
The author contradicts himself in a single sentence.
Why did Jesus Christ say the words, FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD,OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT: THE MYSTERY OF FAITH: WHICH WILL BE SHED FOR YOU AND FOR MANY UNTO THE REMISSION OF SINS.
Why did Christ specifically say "eternal", if not all of God's covenants are eternal?
The Vatican article was written by a schizophrenic. He speaks out of both sides his both. And said article was approved by a schizo pope.
We are permitted to individually pray for the Jews conversions to Catholicism but we can’t pray collectively? What nonsense!
Christians who stop at "it's always been done that way" have hearts closed to the surprises of the Holy Spirit. They are idolaters and rebels will never arrive at the fullness of the truth. That was the message of Pope Francis at Mass on Monday morning at the chapel in the Casa Santa Marta.
"What does this mean? That He (God) changes the law? No! That the law is at the service of man, who is at the service of God - and so man ought to have an open heart."
(Vatican Radio)
So to hell with God's Ten Commandments; as Bergoglio proclaims "the law is at the service of man". So full speed ahead with Catholic divorce and Holy Communion to non-Catholics. Whatever "spirit" Francis is hearing, that spirit is not holy.
Jesus said "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Huh. But I think I know what Spirit He was hearing.
So you are for Catholic divorce and Holy Communion to non-Catholics?
Bergoglio is saying that God does not change the law, but man (according to what he hears from “spirits”) does change the law.
And you accuse others of taking things out of context.
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