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Pope calls for abolition of death penalty 'Thou shalt not kill' applies to guilty as well as...
The London Daily Mail ^ | February 21, 2016 | Alex Matthews

Posted on 02/21/2016 9:07:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Pope Francis has called on Catholic leaders to seek a ban on the death penalty exclaiming that 'Thou shall not kill applies to the guilty as well as the innocent'.

Speaking to thousands at St. Peter's Square, in the Vatican, the Pontiff asked politicians around the world to make 'a courageous and exemplary gesture' during the Church's current Holy Year.

He said: 'I appeal to the consciences of those who govern to reach an international consensus to abolish the death penalty...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; deuteronomy5v17; exodus20verse13; jorgemariobergoglio; murder; popefrancis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Three forms of punishment in the Bible are flogging, financial retribution and capital punishment. The Pope is wrong.


41 posted on 02/22/2016 1:38:06 AM PST by gattaca (Republicans believe every day is July 4, democrats believe every day is April 15. Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Next the pope will denounce life sentences for murderers.


42 posted on 02/22/2016 1:44:26 AM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

What did they do right after given the commandments? They slaughtered every living thing in a city they conquered.


43 posted on 02/22/2016 2:57:17 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d say he’s right in line with Catholic teaching.

Catholic Catechism
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”68

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm


44 posted on 02/22/2016 3:14:46 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pope should take in a few criminals.


45 posted on 02/22/2016 3:28:48 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Ted Cruz is the man!)
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To: Olog-hai
Carrying out a death penalty is not murder.

True.

On the other hand, the death penalty removes souls from the pool of those that may be saved to spend eternity with God - something He wants of even the vilest sinners. Jonah found that out when he decided that those in Nineveh were too evil to deserve being saved and God insisted that he go....

46 posted on 02/22/2016 3:36:59 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If he really said that, then Pope Francis is scripturally illiterate.
I am not bashing, just pointing out what happens when you divorce policy from the Word of God, esp. for social reasons.
47 posted on 02/22/2016 3:52:15 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

But, first, tear down the Vatican City walls and let all the savages in.

Practicing what you preach n’all that, of course...


48 posted on 02/22/2016 3:59:55 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Olog-hai

This will help your argument even more:

“And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no MURDER, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 19:17-18)

Jesus himself confirms that the Law condemns “murder”, not putting criminals to death, which the Bible commands:

“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” (Genesis 9:6)

This predates the Law of Moses. And it has never been abolished. It’s still in effect.

The “Pope” doesn’t know the Bible.


49 posted on 02/22/2016 4:10:49 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe he needs to be preaching that to the people on death row for MURDER.


50 posted on 02/22/2016 4:33:52 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: trebb
On the other hand, the death penalty removes souls from the pool of those that may be saved to spend eternity with God

The death penalty is not instant. Before the death penalty is carried out, there is plenty of time for the condemned to realize the truth. In the Bible, the thief on the cross was saved during his execution.

51 posted on 02/22/2016 5:24:53 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this pope is causing his flock to shrink exponentially.


52 posted on 02/22/2016 5:41:36 AM PST by doldrumsforgop
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To: Olog-hai

Add that God ordered the Israelite’s to kill people.


53 posted on 02/22/2016 5:44:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: nonsporting

Correct again. The Greek word “phoneuseis” in verse 17 unambiguously translates as “murder”.


54 posted on 02/22/2016 7:00:44 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If God is against the death penalty why did He pay it for us?


55 posted on 02/22/2016 7:02:59 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: Olog-hai
The Hebrew word translated as “kill” in Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17 (in most, but not all Bible translations) is Hebrew “ratsach”, which means “murder”. Carrying out a death penalty is not murder.

AMEN.
Thank you for posting that.

States have the right and obligation to protect their populace from murderers.

56 posted on 02/22/2016 7:17:49 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He is entitled to his own opinion.
He's NOT talking "dogma" here.
57 posted on 02/22/2016 7:18:31 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: nonsporting
The “Pope” doesn’t know the Bible.

He IS entitled to his opinion since he isn't speaking of DOGMA.

58 posted on 02/22/2016 7:19:31 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This shows a shocking lack of knowledge of theology on the part of the pope. The same God that gave the commandment “Thou shall not kill (commit murder)” also ordered the Israelites to kill all of the inhabitants of Canaan, to kill entire nations, to kill adulterers and homosexuals... So obviously, that commandment does not say we are never to take a human life, but we are not to take an innocent human life (commit murder).


59 posted on 02/22/2016 7:22:55 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

francis/frances seems to a bit selective in the way he intrprets things.


60 posted on 02/22/2016 7:24:43 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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