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To: MHGinTN; Mark17; metmom; daniel1212; Elsie; verga
When reading the Greek, the scene of Peter and John rushing to the empty tomb, I realized that Jesus left the burial wrappings without unwrapping them.

That's not a proven. One evidence is that the face napkin was neatly folded apart from the shroud.

The I noticed that the stone was rolled away by the Angel so the women would see the empty tomb.

If I recall correctly, you have insisted that the body of Jesus left the tomb while it was still sealed. The reason I reject that interpretation is as follows:

"And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great" (Mk. 16:3-4 AV).

When the women got there, the stone had already been rolled away. The verb is in the perfect tense, meaning the act of removing the stone was finished earlier, and perhaps nowhere around.

"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre,
bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus" (Lk. 24:1-3 AV).

"Rolled away" is in the perfect tense: the tomb was already opened when they got there, with continuing results that it would not close if they walked inside.

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the
sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved,
and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not
where they have laid him" (Jn. 20:1-2 AV),

"Taken away" is also in the perfect tense, but the stone not merely rolled away to the side, but taken away; it was gone.

"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it" (Mt. 28:2 AV).

In this verse, the verb is in the aorist tense, active voice, meaning that at some point the stone was removed by the angel being. If this was the sole verse describing the event, it could be supposed that the stone was removed in the presence of the women. But the tense of the verb precludes the interpreter from absolutely confirming that view. In fact, the three other gospels show that the stone was removed before they got there, so it cannot be that the grave was opened in their presence. And that means there is no reason to suppose that the Risen Jesus did not just walk out of the tomb, rather than work some kind of unnatural migration of His reassembled Person through solid rock.

So that theory is more than doubtful--it is very unrealistic, as well as being a completely unnecessary offense to common sense.

Nowhere in the gospels is it shown that Jesus dematerialized or rematerialized His pre-resurrection natural body of flesh, bone, and blood. There is simply no reason that we should think that the processes bestowed by God on humans were not operating throughout Jesus' inhabitayion of the human body as well.

But there is a deeper problem with these innovative conjectures about the body of Jesus that are unsupported directly or indirectly. In fact, they are being manufactured after the same way that not only do the Catholics wrongly handle the Word of God, but they claim post-Apostolic works and wonders that smack of an extension of special revelation and prophetic sayings even into our time.

1,107 posted on 03/27/2016 7:51:46 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; verga; Elsie; ealgeone; daniel1212; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
You asserted, "... rather than work some kind of unnatural migration of His reassembled Person through solid rock." You wording is deceitful. I did not even imply that Jesus disassembled then reassembled His body. The body Jesus took to the locked room to meet with His disciples was the same body that died on the cross, less the blood that was in it before the soldier pierced His side with a spear and water and blood gushed forth. So He can enter a locked and shuttered room without unlocking the doors or windows but rock is too tough for GOD with us?

Ya know, there comes a point when this obsessive effort you're putting forth takes on the appearance of, well, obsessive compulsive.

Matthew 28:1 After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site. 2 Suddenly, there was a powerful earthquake, because an angel of the Lord had come down from heaven, approached the stone, rolled it away, and was sitting on top of it. 3 His appearance was bright as lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4Trembling from fear, even the guards themselves became catatonic. ISV

1 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre, 2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it, 3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow, 4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men. 5 And the messenger answering said to the women, ‘Fear not ye, for I have known that Jesus, who hath been crucified, ye seek; 6 he is not here, for he rose, as he said; come, see the place where the Lord was lying; 7 and having gone quickly, say ye to his disciples, that he rose from the dead; and lo, he doth go before you to Galilee, there ye shall see him; lo, I have told you.’ Young's Literal Translation

I am astonished at your desire to diminish the Lord. You asserted: "Nowhere in the gospels is it shown that Jesus dematerialized or rematerialized His pre-resurrection natural body of flesh, bone, and blood" And from your own assertion you draw the conclusion that He did not do this with the post resurrection body? Way back in Daniel 5 we see someone in a different where/when reaches forth to the where/when of palace party central and with only the hand showing writes upon the wall. Was that an Angel, or a Christophany? I don't know, perhaps you are more knowledgeable? The miraculous was not a hard thing with Jesus, pre-crucifixion. And after He was resurrected, He was still Jesus, the place, time, and person where The God of Creation intersected our where/when. Jesus taught that Physics lesson to the disciples, as shown in John 14.

Luke 24:30 While he was at the table with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it in pieces, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened, and they knew who he was. And he vanished from them.

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

And I will leave you one last point to feed your ego trip in trying to rebuke me:

John 20:6 the word κείμενα gives a sense of the linens lying yet, as if they lay there in the shape of Jesus but He is not in them any longer.

1,108 posted on 03/27/2016 8:40:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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