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Hovering over Rome: The Ghost of Martin Luther
The Catholic World Report ^ | March 16, 2016 | Allessandra Nucci

Posted on 03/17/2016 7:49:46 AM PDT by ebb tide

Rome has found a name for a new Square in the heart of the city, an open space in the middle of a leafy garden park in a choice area near the Coliseum: Martin Luther Square.

Almost 500 years after Augustinian monk Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Cathedral of Wittenberg, Swabia (October 1517), and 494 years after the bull of excommunication issued by Pope Leo X ("Decet Romanum Pontificem", January 1521), the city of Rome has honored the man who sparked the Protestant Reformation, a movement premised on what Luther condemned in that very city, the headquarters of the Catholic Church.

The nameplate “Martin Luther – German Theologian (1483-1546)” is assigned to an area laden with history: nearby are Emperor Nero's Domus Aurea and the boulevard named after the Greek-Egyptian goddess Serapide. The square was officially inaugurated on Wednesday, September 16 of last year.

The decision came six years after an official request was advanced by the Union of Seventh Day Adventist Churches and the Union of the Lutheran Evangelical Churches in Italy.

While no official comment was issued by the Vatican, Lutheran circles have understandably been all abuzz. “I'm very pleased that our request has come true before the anniversary of the Reform in 2017,” said Pastor Heiner Bludau, senior pastor of the Lutheran Evangelical Church in Italy:

When we researched [in 2010] the meaning of Martin Luther's visit to Rome … we saw that his stay was clearly a part of the history of the Reformation and therefore of the history of Europe. So to dedicate a square in Rome to the great reformer is a highly symbolic and momentous step; in the light of world history it is a step that reflects the level reached by the process of European unification. On both counts I am extremely grateful.

The news, however, barely registered on the press radar, not only because Italy is grappling with engrossing social and economic troubles, but also because the revival of the memory and cult of Martin Luther has become almost normal fare now, both in secular and ecclesiastical circles.

In secular circles it has been powered in part by Germany's effort to unify the separate cultures which were shaped in the formerly partitioned East and West sides of the country, quietly renewing pride in a common national history so as to get over the country’s guilt complex for the World Wars and the Holocaust, so often mentioned in post-war German education.

The endeavor to get past the memories of the twentieth century, not to mention the economic morass inherited from East Germany in the 1990s, has been so successful that Germany today enjoys a hegemony over the European Union. (Germany trails only the U.S. and the U.K. on the “Elcano Global Presence Report 2015”.) This is the case not just from an economic point of view but also a renewed admiration for the country’s apparent efficiency, moral rigor and hard work.

The process can be illustrated by the success among children and families of the plastic toy Luthers recently marketed by Playmobil, which is the fastest-selling Playmobil figure in the company’s history. Related toy replicas have also been popular, including one of Wittenberg Cathedral, one of the castle of Warburg, and one of Luther’s wife, Katharina von Bora, the ex-Cistercian nun he married in 1525, which are sold as specially numbered collector's items.

Gemany's Catholic authorities also had a part in the revival and unprecedented universality of respect for the father of Protestant Christianity. In January 2015, the Archbishop of Munich, Cardinal Reinhard Marx—President of the German Bishops’ Conference and coordinator of Pope Francis's Board of Economic Advisors—summed up Martin Luther’s long march through the institutions of ecumenism in Politik & Kultur: “Now having completed fifty years of dialogue, a Catholic Christian, too, may respectfully read the texts penned by Luther and benefit from his ideas.” The same acceptance has been variously expressed by Cardinal Walter Kasper, German Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, and Fr. Hans Kung. In his 2008 publication “Night-time Conversations in Jerusalem”, written in German, Jesuit Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini praised Luther as having somehow inspired the changes that came after Vatican Council II, thereby effectively recasting as the greatest of reformers he who had previously been seen as the prototypical excommunicated heretic.

Last November, Pope Francis caused a stir when, in the words of Vatican reporter Edward Pentin, he appeared “to suggest that a Lutheran wife of a Catholic husband could receive holy Communion based on the fact that she is baptized and in accordance with her conscience.” Pentin reported a month later that Pastor Jens Kruse of Rome’s Evangelical Lutheran Church “said he believes Pope Francis ‘opened the door’ to intercommunion when the Holy Father spoke to his church last month, and that his parishioners generally have the same opinion.” When asked if he interpreted the Pope’s remarks as “allowing Lutherans to receive holy Communion, leaving it up to their conscience?”, Kruse replied in the affirmative:

The Pope said that’s a question each person has to decide for himself. I think it’s typical for Pope Francis to open doors, and now we, as churches, have the duty to find ways to fill this open door with more of a life of ecumenism, of unity. The image of an open door is, I think, a very good one because we are in front of this door at this moment and now we have to find ways to go through this open door.

Following the November 2015 event, Cardinal Robert Sarah, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, told Aleteia.org, “Intercommunion is not permitted between Catholics and non-Catholics. You must confess the Catholic Faith. A non-Catholic cannot receive Communion. That is very, very clear. It’s not a matter of following your conscience.” In order to receive Holy Communion, Cardinal Sarah emphasized, “I need to be in the state of grace, without sin, and have the faith of the Catholic Church. … It’s not a personal desire or a personal dialogue with Jesus that determines if I can receive Communion in the Catholic Church.”

Prior to his pontficate, Josef Cardinal Ratzinger invited the faithful to reflect “very seriously” on Luther's message and “save the great things in his theology”. But he did so without blurring the lines that define the radical change that Luther brought about in “the relationship between the Church and the individual, between the Church and the Bible”, which to this day prevents Catholics and Protestants from sharing “the certainty that recognizes in the Church a common conscience which is greater than private intelligence and interpretations”.

On his trip to Germany, less than a year and a half before abdicating, Pope Benedict XVI stopped at Erfurt, where Luther studied theology and celebrated his first Mass. In the talk given on that occasion, Benedict dwelled on the importance attributed by Luther to the issue of sin, a particularly significant facet of Luther’s teaching in the light of the current emphasis on mercy that often seems to downplay the reality of sin and the real possibility of judgment. Benedict stated:

“How do I receive the grace of God?” The fact that this question was the driving force of his whole life never ceases to make a deep impression on me. For who is actually concerned about this today – even among Christians? What does the question of God mean in our lives? In our preaching? Most people today, even Christians, set out from the presupposition that God is not fundamentally interested in our sins and virtues. He knows that we are all mere flesh. And insofar as people believe in an afterlife and a divine judgement at all, nearly everyone presumes for all practical purposes that God is bound to be magnanimous and that ultimately he mercifully overlooks our small failings. The question no longer troubles us.

In January, it was announced that Francis plans to travel to Sweden in October of this year “for a joint ecumenical commemoration of the start of the Reformation, together with leaders of the Lutheran World Federation and representatives of other Christian Churches.” The event will be the start of events marking the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation; it will also “highlight the important ecumenical developments that have taken place during the past 50 years of dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans.”

I hope, however, that the warmth to Luther’s ideas will not go even further and fashion the formerly excommunicated heretic into a hero and a saint, whitewashing history until even actual events lose all meaning. For the former Augustinian monk was as much a man of the flesh and of turbulent spirits as Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), whose sins we are in no danger of being allowed to forget.

If there is a reciprocal owning up of mistakes all around, on the part of the Protestants this might include, for example, a formal disowning of Luther's most virulent invectives, such as the ones against the Jews, contained in Luther’s 1543 book On the Jews and Their Lies, and the ones in his “Admonition to Peace”. In the latter, with regard to “The Twelve Articles of the Christian Union of Upper Swabia” (April 1525), Luther pleaded with the German nobility to suppress all the “murderous and thieving hordes of peasants” in the following terms:

What reason be there for leniency with the peasants? If there be any innocents among them, God will know how to best defend and rescue them. If God doesn't rescue them, then that means they are criminals. I think it's best for God to kill farmers rather than princes and judges, as the peasants have no Divine authority on which to base their wielding of the sword. No mercy, no patience towards the peasants, only wrath and indignation, from God and from man. This moment is so exceptional that a prince can earn heaven through bloodshed. Therefore, dear gentlemen, go ahead and exterminate, slay, strangle, and may whoever has power, use it.

Ironically, it was reported that at the September 2015 event in Rome, Michael Kretschmer, representative of the Bundestag (the national Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany), “remembered the sensitivity of the father of the Reformation for the last (of the world). ‘If he were here today, he would tell us to take care of the poor,’ he said.” Meanwhile, the mayor of Rome, Ignazio Marino, stated: “Today gesture means that Rome has to respect every religion and faith. It is easier to smash an atom than a prejudice, Einstein said. And here we have broken some prejudices.” By all means, let’s welcome the ridding of wrong prejudices, but let’s not reject a prejudice for the truth.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: francis; francischurch; luther; lutheran; luthertheheritc; martinluther; reformation
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To: af_vet_1981

No, it isn’t.

Why would you tolerate a politically-correct concept of an entire group of people who reject Christ to their damnation?

The very breath of Christ carries these words: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”

By your very admission, Jesus Christ Himself is antisemitic.


401 posted on 03/19/2016 5:40:42 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
By your very admission, Jesus Christ Himself is antisemitic.

False; do not blame Jesus for your behavior.

Your comments in post 19 are antisemitic.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group.[1][2][3] A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is widely considered to be a form of racism.[4][5]

402 posted on 03/19/2016 6:32:54 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Jesus Christ Himself is antisemitic.

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

John, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verse eleven,
John, Catholic chapter thirteen, Protestant verse one,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine

403 posted on 03/19/2016 6:53:13 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; aMorePerfectUnion

And it seems to probably everyone on this board that you are making unsubstantiated accusations agast ampu.

Could you kindly provide the post numbers where these alleged comments have been made?


404 posted on 03/20/2016 4:50:22 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; aMorePerfectUnion

If ampu’s witness is false, show us where in this thread, you condemned either the popes or Cathoilcism as a whole for Catholicism’s clear history of antisemitism.

You have been provided the links to the Catholic history.

Show us where you’ve applied to Catholicism the same standards of judgment you have applied to Lutheranism.


405 posted on 03/20/2016 4:54:09 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

“Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying, So a curse without cause does not alight.”

No worries friend. All that matters are the souls of those who need the wonderful Savior.


406 posted on 03/20/2016 6:30:52 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: ealgeone
Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." John 5:24 Good luck with anything other than that.

and you know that passage by reading the Catholic Bible....there is no other source.

407 posted on 03/20/2016 8:27:06 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: ealgeone
Catholics, with their history of the bad popes...current one included, are in no position to criticize Luther.

not once did any of the "bad Popes" contradict Catholic dogma and since they are our Popes, who are you to judge??

Luther was NOT a reformer, he was a revolutionary....you reform from within...he did not.

408 posted on 03/20/2016 8:31:43 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: ebb tide; Mark17
I just wonder if you would wish the same for me? Yes, I'll pray that you convert to Catholicism.

No problem, he is a Catholic just playing with the navigators for the time being...he doesn't have to convert, just come home....takes just a few minutes.

409 posted on 03/20/2016 8:40:03 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: metmom
But we're not talking about *any* church but rather the organization that claims it's the one, true church, the only one that Jesus established and the one they claim you have to be part of to get to heaven.

BINGO....you did go to Catechism class that Tuesday!!!!!

410 posted on 03/20/2016 8:51:17 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: ealgeone
The only thing we presume is that His words to us are true and that we can trust in His promises. 1“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4“And you know the way where I am going.” 5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:1-6 The question is....do you trust in Him?

Where on Earth did you read that......Oh, that's right...in your Catholic Bible!!....say thanks!

411 posted on 03/20/2016 8:58:18 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Still, I am grateful God called Father Luther to recover the Gospel. More than any man could ever expect to accomplish in his life. Back to your own salvation... Do you have eternal life? Do you know today that you will spend eternity in the presence of God? If not, what are you waiting for, bro?

Luther is probably responsible for the loss of more souls that any other person in history....

412 posted on 03/20/2016 9:05:30 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; metmom; boatbums; knarf; Old Yeller; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212; Gamecock; imardmd1; ..
No problem, he is a Catholic just playing with the navigators for the time being...he doesn't have to convert, just come home....takes just a few minutes

LOL, in your dreams bro. I AM home already. When I was a Catholic, I was a lost, unsaved sinner. Now, I am a saved ex Catholic. It will NEVER change, not now, not ever.
I know I have asked you about 5,000 times, how you plan to bluff your way into Heaven. I realize, that is 4,997 times more than I am allowed to, on the thread, but the fact that you can not tell me how you plan to get into Heaven, tells me what I need to know.
If you take that boat ride with Charon, across the River Styx, well, that's on you bro. Sheesh. 😆😀😃👺

413 posted on 03/20/2016 10:23:12 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: terycarl
Where on Earth did you read that......Oh, that's right...in your Catholic Bible!!....say thanks!

The King James Version bible was translated from the Received Texts preserved by the Greek Church. Catholicism had nothing to do with the King James Version. Origen wrote most of the Catholic bible in Alexandria from the same Received Texts and put in a lot of paganism to make it more acceptable in Egypt.

414 posted on 03/20/2016 11:37:37 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: terycarl

You really should find a tag line more appropriate to your posting style.


415 posted on 03/21/2016 4:05:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: terycarl

You really need new material. The roman Cathokic bible didn’t come into being until Trent.


416 posted on 03/21/2016 4:22:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: terycarl

The Catholic church is not the body of Christ.

The body of Christ is all believers where ever and when ever they are in the church age.

The Catholic church does not own the term, despite what it claims about itself.


417 posted on 03/21/2016 4:27:39 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl
yet the rcc cleaned up its act a little after Luther exposed the wrongs they were doing.

but there is still a lot of work to be done as evidenced on this board.

418 posted on 03/21/2016 4:33:42 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I don’t think God is in the business of making pagan religions into Christian sources.


419 posted on 03/21/2016 6:17:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: terycarl

“Luther is probably responsible for the loss of more souls that any other person in history....”

Fact free post. Noted.


420 posted on 03/21/2016 6:59:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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