Posted on 04/20/2016 7:27:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Moses. "Punto!"
But he could not-— it would be renouncing the whole doctrine of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the role that He wills each one of us to play, in his great work of Salvation.
He wouldn't be renouncing the whole doctrine of the "Mystical Body of Christ". He might be proclaiming the clear message of the Gospel that it is only through faith in Christ one is saved.
Mary plays no more of a role in our salvation than Paul or Peter...which is to say: NONE.
If he did renounce mary in this capacity I predict you would see roman catholicism collapse. Too much money in "mary" and too much catholic worship of her.
You have not taken into consideration the full implications of our membership in the mystical Body of Christ interns of our cooperation in the plan of Salvation. All of our cooperation: Paul’s and Peter’s and *yours*, as well as Mary’s.
Even Mary’s cooperation, unique though it is, is just part of a much larger picture. I don’t think you or I have yet grasped how big this is.
I would expect you to respond that way.
Any reliance upon Mary negates Jesus's exclusive claim He makes in John 14:6.
"I am the way, the truth, the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
The Greek emphasizes that there is no other way to Heaven but through Christ. It does not give an allowance for any other way.
You may recognize the following promise from Our Lady's 15 Promises for Praying the Rosary
5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.
This is totally incompatible with Jesus' statement in John 14:6...and the rest of the NT for that matter.
There is no way the catholic can spin this to be compatible with John 14:6.
I would expect a follower of Christ to understand this.
A true follower of Christ is a member of His Catholic Church.
FINALLY I hear the guy talking about Jesus.
As I said, you don’t even deal with the salvific significance of the Body of Christ. You don’t even engage.
It’s good, isn’t it!!
He’s been, shall we say, not a very coherent or effective communicator. He seems at times quote out of control of his message.
Plus he talks too much.
The body of Christ cannot save you. If an individual does not have Christ they are lost. We cannot rely upon anyone other than Christ for our salvation. The individual has to follow or reject Christ.
The Body of Christ IS Christ. This is one of the very rich implications of the Incarnation. Is not Christ the Son of God come in the flesh? Which is to say, in His human nature, in His Body? As St.John says, “Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist.” 2 John 1:7
Where do you see anyone claiming that anyone can "come to the Father" through Mary, apart from Jesus?
The Catholic formula is "through Mary to Jesus," NOT "through Mary to the Father, and just leave Jesus out of it". What you're doing amounts to a strawman argument.
He's merely speaking his mind, which is sick.
Yes, but it is the catholic who supplants the exclusive claim of salvation in only Christ as I noted in the Greek with the false promises of the apparitions claiming that the one that recommends themselves to it shall not perish.
The biblical formula as spoken by Christ in John 14:6 leaves no room for mary or anyone else regarding salvation. The NT is crystal clear on this. We have no NT examples of Jesus, or any of the writers, saying we must first come to mary and then we can come to Jesus.
If you mean the ekklesia as the body of believers....I agree.
John 2:5
And this relates to having to go through Mary to get to Christ just how? It also does not negate the statement of the apparitions Catholics claim is Mary.
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