Posted on 05/20/2016 3:23:00 PM PDT by Vision
What a lawyerly way of putting it! I would expect nothing less from a fully-indoctrinated follower of that cult.
But, where you fail is in giving an argument from your inside source, while rejecting any argument for/from Scripture. I care less about your indoctrinal studies and cathecisms. They reflect much distrust in Scripture while relying on the fallible words of the Roman Catholic cult. When you begin to add all of the Roman Catholic Mary WORSHIP and place special efforts to recognize some people as "saints', you disagree with the same Word of God that I use as my guide.
I place my trust in Almighty God, and I get my "marching orders" from His Holy Spirit. The Roman Catholic cult is based on following the ideas of men, not the teachings bestowed on us by God. Whereas the RCC claims to be the author of the Scriptures, I insist that, though God has used men to pen His thought and Words, they are direct from the Throne.
When you say that any "current belief" of your cult is different now, that just weakens the authority of any alleged infallibility of the cult. My God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Amen!
Hebrews 13: ...8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. 10 We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat.
11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come. 15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.
I will pray for you nonetheless!
I will pray that the scales will fall from your eyes and heart! Save your money and don’t buy any candles!
Stay with Christ, His Roman Catholic Church, and the unchanging Deposit of Faith that had been taught prior to 1958 and the advent of the false heretical council of Vatican-2.
Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Galatians 1:8-9
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
Read only the genuine Church teaching prior to 1958 before the apostates seized control and issued in the heresies of Vatican-2. It did NOT start with Bergolgio, he is merely a more visible gross manifestation of the rot.
"6. ...or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:
(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;"
When you say “he has to say he is acting infallibly,” what exactly do you mean? There’s no special formula or particular words that have to be used, but he has to be clear that he’s teaching definitively to meet qualification #3.
My wife was Episcopalian before she converted, and my in-laws still are. I would not claim to know everything about the religion, but I know enough to know it's very different from mine once you get past the externals.
The Roman Catholic way is to work things out, and if you fail here, your friend and relatives can pray you out of their "purgatory".
Wrong. Completely wrong. If you fail here, you go to hell, you don't even get to purgatory.
However, Scripture says that nothing unclean can enter heaven (Rev 21:27), so if you die in God's friendship but with the damage sin does still on your soul, God graciously makes it possible for that damage to be repaired after death.
Don't bet on it ...
Was he "right on" when encouraged his followers to "wash [their] hands in the Papists' blood"?
Was Martin Luther "right on" when he set the stage for a peasant revolt which was then put down with great bloodshed, while Luther cheered the nobility who did the deed?
Was Martin Luther "right on" when, toward the end of his life, he complained that now "every milkmaid" read the Bible and had an opinion on what it taught (after all, he had a doctoral degree and had a right to his opinion, but everyone else?! *sniff*)?
Was Martin Luther "right on" when he approved of bigamy in the case of Philip of Hesse, and said he couldn't see anything in the Bible that prohibited a man from taking multiple wives?
The Pope is a sinner. So was Luther. The Pope says some dumb things. So did Luther. You sound like you're trying to find a church run by perfect people. There aren't any, just like there aren't any churches full of perfect people.
If you wish for more information.. here’s a series of FREE video lectures from Dr. R. C. Sproul.. examining The Roman Catholic Church and it’s doctrines from a Reformation view point.. this is good information. Each lecture is no more than 23 minutes long. -
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/roman_catholicism/
Here’s another good series..detailing where and WHY the Reformation differs from The Roman Church.. JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE = http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/justification_by_faith_alone/
and here’s a series on LUTHER and The REFORMATION.. however.. since this is a rather new series, only the first lecture is free... (BUT if you’re interested, contact me via Freepmail, I have the entire series you can listen to on Mp3s) =
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/luther-and-the-reformation/
Honestly, anything by Dr. R. C. Sproul is well worth the time to listen, to think about.
Para 46, 45 and others use infallible language
If an encyclical is ex cathedra then it is infallible.
The exact formula has varied over the centuries, but it is clear when you see it. If you are told that you will go to hell if you reject it (enathema was the word they used to commonly use in the encyclical), then you have an infallible statement.
All global conferences of bishops have their documents ratified by the pope. These documents then are said to contain infallible pronouncements. Now it does get a little over my pay grade though as not all Vatican II documents are considered infallible. They say this is because not all of the documents were intended to be infallible.
Firstly note that the Church is not dependent on what one Bishop thinks - I'll get to the infall stuff in a minute. It's better for one to look into what the Church actually believes (the Catechism), rather than the failures of priests
Secondly, there are lots of different types of Protestants - some,like the Lutherans, hew close to Orthodoxy; others like Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinity. And everything else is possible including Unitarians
Thirdly, infallibility is difficult and troublesome - until you realize what it ACTUALLY is -- it's only that the Pope is preserved by God's grace from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."
So this is only in very, very constraining circumstances -- Francis hasn't given any teaching ex-cathedra. in fact it hasn't been done since 1950
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