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1 posted on 07/07/2016 7:09:11 AM PDT by Cronos
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"Are critics correct who say 5-point Calvinist theology produces a "frozen chosen" mindset and that stricter Calvinist views yield less outreach and altar calls?"

Historically some of the greatest evangelists have been Calvinists. The first name that comes to mind is George Whitefield, the man who God used to launch the Great Awakening.

2 posted on 07/07/2016 7:13:53 AM PDT by circlecity
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So, did the Baptists choose the liberal or the conservative candidate for SBC president?


3 posted on 07/07/2016 7:14:23 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Santorum and Paul Nehlen 2016)
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To: Cronos

My southern gospel band plays at a lot of these places. I honestly don’t see them as “positive” places. There is a lot of despair and fear, partly because of all the “helfire” preaching (the “turn or burn” message).
And I’m an adherent to CI, not ECT.

Some enlightenment cqn be found here: rethinkinghell.com


4 posted on 07/07/2016 7:16:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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When I was about young, my family was Baptist.
I remember getting all dressed up to go to church to be baptized, only to discover that it meant they were going to submerge me in the Chickahominy River. I abandoned Christianity as being run by nuts later that same day.
I still believe, I just don’t want any part of their nutbar clergy.


5 posted on 07/07/2016 7:19:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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Calvinism Not Only to Blame for Southern Baptist Decline

The social liberalism and compromise of people like Russell Moore is contributory as well.

6 posted on 07/07/2016 7:21:32 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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It’s an irrelevant debate. It’s like debating whether you have cancer because you brush your teeth.

The problem with the SBC is heretical fundamentalism. All that matters is “sharing the Gospel”. The rest of the Bible is ignored. Practically speaking, the leadership teaches John 3:16 and has reduced the 10 Commandments to one: Be extra, super-duper nice! When the current group of Arminians (Yes, the SBC is overwhelmingly Arminian) got control, they thought they could stem losses in membership by being “theologically inerrant” and socially moderate (liberal), unlike the previous (Arminian) leadership. After all, if you are going to “win people to Christ”, you don’t want what the Bible has to say about the sodomite lifestyle or abortion get in the way. In fact, they reason, embracing some environmentalism, affirmative action and race guilt, and feminism would be really helpful with the young folks.

The rank and file of SBC churches have little idea of what is going on, but the seminaries and the leadership are poisonous and are starting the down the path of the UMC and PCUSA (or the CBF, if you know something about the history of the SBC). Either someone cleans house, or the SBC will die over the next 20 years.


8 posted on 07/07/2016 7:26:23 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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..the SBC is the evangelical version of the Republican party.

You can really tell who the "big tent" people are. They let outside factors infect their theology. IOW the end (church growth) justifies the means...

11 posted on 07/07/2016 7:31:47 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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TULIP R us Protestants...


12 posted on 07/07/2016 7:31:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Scripture is pretty clear on what Salvation is.
Humans are easily manipulated by the Devil who is a liar and a thief. This is why these debates rage on and on.

A Baptism doesn’t “save”.
A Church Membership doesn’t “save”.
An alter-call doesn’t “save”.
Belief and Hope in Christ and His Finished work on the Cross as a remission for our sins does.

I’d also imagine that the SBC is losing congregants hand over fist because they keep bringing in more Ecumenical Ethicists into their mold, like that wolf Russell Moore.


13 posted on 07/07/2016 7:32:09 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Ismael's descendants have been murdering since 1900 BC - it's "racist" to acknowledge that fact)
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I blame CalvinBall.


32 posted on 07/07/2016 9:18:12 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Declining enrollment numbers are a poor indication of theological understanding. In fact, one may argue that the more theologically correct you are, the more people are apt to shy away from the truth. Our Lord Jesus is a perfect example of what happens when one holds a perfect theology.


39 posted on 07/07/2016 1:21:46 PM PDT by HarleyD
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says it's unfair to blame declining baptism numbers in the SBC on a resurgence of 5-point Calvinism in Southern Baptist life.

Yes, it is fair to blame Calvinism. It is a theological trap that misleads people with a false assurance contrary to the very words of the Messiah when they should hear and obey all of the words of the Messiah. The consequences of Calvinism can be seen in many of the parables.

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses one to forty six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

44 posted on 07/07/2016 9:10:05 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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