Posted on 07/13/2016 3:51:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Someone in the thread mentioned marks on human beings. One might wonder what a survey of descendants of religions, skinheads and tramp stamps might reveal.
And its the rabid Jewish Chassidic isolationists who study in Hebrew who would term English, a Gentile language, as one of dogs, untouchable and vile, not vice versa. You've got that wrong, too.
My friends who are making remarks here against the Noachic mindset are not terrorists. It's the Noachists who who are the terrorists, Noachites who subscribe to Noachide Law with its view toward the followers of Jesus as being heretics, worthy of a death sentence, and beheading of Christians as the proper reward of their faith.
Apparently you're so full of rage that you can't even correctly repeat back to me what I've written. What's your problem?
Something similar could be said -- less crudely one hopes -- about secular or Reform Jews and Orthodox Jews.
And if Noachides ever amount to more than a tiny percentage of the population you'll see the same splits in your group.
For all I know, the splits are already there.
Mu original point was that my answer Post #128 to your Post #116 shows that the sayings of Jesus re jots and tittles contradict the concept that there was no indication of vowel sounds prior to the Masoretes, to whon some theorists attribute the vowel pointing employed by Ben Asher in his preparation of codices of the Old Testament.
I included Psalm 119 to show that the letter identified as jodh was present in the Psalms, long before Jesus' mention of it as the least of the consonants.
I'm sorry that I did not make that clear enough that you could follow the purpose of arguing against a late introduction of vowel pointing as a reading aid. Which, of course, either Jesus understood, or that someone gratuitously added these verses centuries later.
While I have no authority whatsoever here on FR, it is my understanding that it is a "conservative forum," not a "gentile forum." Only a slimy Nazi would run around telling Jews to keep off of "gentile forums." That being the case, I am quite elated to find you a thorough Bible-hater. At least you're someone the liberals can't use to blame anti-Semitism on the "ee-vil" Bible.
Metmom: mark well whom you are quasi-allying yourself with. However much you disagree with Judaism, you surely don't think the Holy Original Language is a "dirty dog language," do you?
I'm so very sorry this thread has degenerated. But at least some folks have been exposed.
The books that would be put together from various sources into the first New Testament were decided upon in Roman councils a little before and after the year, 400, but that collection of books was quite different from the collections of the 1500s and 1600s. Many different translations have been made since. Most old testaments were originally made from the Septuagint by Hellenized scribes under an Egyptian King (Macedonian Empire)—quite different from the unchanging Torah.
Jots and tittles go back to Old English and German. Before that, iota in the Latin and Greek—not very old (jot, probably really gathered from yod in the Hebrew alephbet rather than vowel marks).
Written Hebrew goes back at least around 3500 years, probably much longer, before the proto-Sinaitic. It might have spawned an earlier cuneiform far to the east-northeast.
Vowel marks weren’t added until the 700s. Before vowel marks, only those very thoroughly educated in proper pronunciations, Torah and Oral Law could read Torah (and to this day for Jewish experts reading from Torah scrolls). Contemporary Hebrew also does not have vowel marks, but most contemporary readers are practiced in reading with proper contemporary pronunciation and context.
AMEN!
Oh, please! Wax hyperbolic much? Maybe you skipped right by all the times we have expressed support for the Jewish people in this thread and shown how it is a love that comes from our Christian faith and the one, true God we both believe in.
Instead of accusing others of being Nazi sympathizers and closeted anti-Semites all because when one digs a little deeper into the religion you have been promoting it DOES expose some of the consequences the elitist thinking results in, why not do a little more than post a web link? As non-Noahides, some of us don't know which sites y'all approve of and which you don't.
BTW..imardmd1 did NOT "sympathize" with Gallo nor did he "complain" about road signs in Israel - he simply stated that the writing lacked vowels - a point he was explaining.
Jesus read the scroll in Hebrew and his words were recorded in Greek, so those "questionable" vowels must have already been resolved and people knew what the Scripture said.
That's not how I read his comment. He said, "... not use the Gentile forms of non-Hebrew markings that tell us how to pronounce their nasty dog languages.". Notice languages (plural). It's was talking about the Noahides not wanting to use the GENTILE'S "nasty dog languages". He wasn't calling the Hebrew language that.
Well, hmmm. You criticized Imardmd1 for calling Hebrew a “nasty dog language” - which he didn’t, but here you are saying the same thing about English - your first language, I presume. Is that nice? You ought to apologize to him. Tell me, when are you going to exclusively change over to speaking only Hebrew?
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Talmud is sort of like a Jewish Catechism. Uninspired and all by fallible men. Do-si-do and away we go!
There are many words in it that I don't care to use.
Up to here in this reply, I agree with you totally.
Granted you're probably some sort of atheist evolutionist who thinks all this is silly, . . .
This shows you do not know me at all, nor my theology.
. . . but I guarantee you that the world wasn't created out of German.
No points for you on this one. Everybody knows that, so you've just wasted words.
No Bible Belt Fundamentalist, however much they may disagree with Judaism, would ever call the Holy Tongue a "dirty dog language" or whatever it was.
Apparently you got so enraged that you did not read what I said, which was that it is usual for rabbinical Jews to regard Gentiles as dogs, and Gentile languages as heathenish and vile. You've made everything vice versa, in your error. Or is it a desparate attempt to turn the tables around?
I look forward to the day when Trump is inaugurated and all you alt-righters find out he's much more pro-Israel than Obama and Hillary ever were. Maybe it will stop your mouths.
I have no love for any of these braggarts, and would vote for none of them, but this is not what your posting of this article was really about. You completely outlined your purposefor this article in Post #1, and reaffirmed it in your reply to me in Post #54 As follows:
imardmd1: Are you an advocate of "the Noachide Laws" as a system of government? (Post #53)
ZC: Yes I am. Although I hope you realize that they can be enforced from the local unit upward and do not necessarily require any kind of central imposition (though eventually they will be imposed by Mashiach HaMelekh). (Post #54)
imardmd1: That means, I take it, that if your preferred form of government prevailed, you would subscribe to the beheading of the avowed followers of Jesus of Nazareth for their testimony and for their effort in recruiting followers. That is so, is it not? (Post #80)
To date, you have not denied that you support a legal system which would execute Christians for their avowed faith in the Person and Work of Jesus of Nazareth, and the method to be by beheading such a person.
Nothing else that you have said in your replies in this thread can even begin to to this monstrous Noachide system for which you are demonstrating your commitment to solicit disciples. While I have no authority whatsoever here on FR, it is my understanding that it is a "conservative forum," not a "gentile forum."
No one argues this, but your goals of transforming our government an beheading Christians is not within the scope of activities of this site, unless I am quite mistaken.
That being the case, I am quite elated to find you a thorough Bible-hater.
You must have picked this completely out of thin air, for there is no basis anywhere or at any time in anything I have ever written to sustain this blatant lie, this character assassination. That alone should get your tripe banned.
Only a slimy Nazi would run around telling Jews to keep off of "gentile forums. . . . At least you're someone the liberals can't use to blame anti-Semitism on the "ee-vil" Bible.
Now you are accusing me of being a Nazi engaging in anti-semitism. Take note here, that anti-semitism is committing an act of hate toward a person for being a descendant of Jewish parents. It has nothing to do with that person's theology. One may show that the Covenant of Law is no longer in effect, that Judaism is a dead religion in God's eyes, and that it has been supplanted by the religion of faith in Christ, without harboring one iota of hate for the Jewish person at all.
I despise what you have credited me for, and can only laugh at the lies you have made up, and are trying to force on other participants in this forum. I'm so very sorry this thread has degenerated. But at least some folks have been exposed.
In my opinion, this thread was already degenerated as posted, before the first answer to your opening comment and its content. Your allegiance to the Noachide religion is to me despicable and not worthy of further theological debate, according to the link that I sent around that shows what the Noachide movement is all about: to destroy Christianity as well as to shelve our Constitution for establishing a free country.
Yes, that's what I thought, and, as I said before, probably has much good advice, for good, practical living. These Noahdites, however, elevate it to doctrinal status. Sorry bro, I ain't buying it, because Jesus didn't buy it. He called them snakes. Oops, better watch out bro, we just left ourselves open to be called Nazis again, for about the 20th time on this thread.
Don't sweat the small stuff bro. When you completely blow their theories out of the water, true to form, the next thing you can expect, is to called a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe and, last, but not least, you will be called a Nazi. It's getting to be a tired old line, but it comes with the territory. The Apostle Paul didn't have much good to say either, as he did a Galations 1:8-9 on them.
Paul ignored them, and went about preaching the truth about Jesus Christ. We will ignore the peanut gallery and go on preaching Jesus. 😀😆😄
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