Posted on 08/12/2016 3:59:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
Thank God for Blessed Father Luther
- an imperfect man, like every other man God uses -
who was used to recover the Glorious Gospel of Grace!
Praise to God for His Indescribable Gift!!
Understanding that you’re just trying to get under people’s skin, care to explain how Luther could have “recovered” something that wasn’t lost in the first place?
He was.
Hey, why the negativity, dude?
I'm here to celebrate, agreeing with Catholic Bishops!
Blessed Luther recovered the Gospel of Grace, which had been lost into a sacramental system of earned grace and works.
Luther was used to lead hundreds of millions to Christ - after he approached his own Church, asking it to return to its roots. They expelled him.
The Jews did the same when Messiah came to them. The Gentiles still benefit to this day. All glory to God.
Just lost in practice and tradition, just like today.
Better late than never!
I think it’s obvious that you’ve seriously misunderstood Matthew 18:3. But you haven’t explained how Luther could have recovered something was not only never lost, but had in fact been preserved and preached at great cost.
Amen and Amen!
Exactly.
It’s not often I get the opportunity to agree whole-heartedly with Roman Catholic Bishops.
What a fun thread.
AAAH the cafeteria protestants....giddy over luther on this subject, but very quiet on his words on mary as ever virgin, and the eucharist as the literal body and blood of christ, etc.....
We’ve reached a point in history where traditional Catholics now have much more in common with Luther and the Reformers than they do with most contemporary Catholic bishops and theologians.
Chapter 9 of the Apocalypse opens with Saint Johns terrifying vision:
And the fifth Angel sounded the trumpet; and I saw a star fall from Heaven upon the earth, and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit: and the smoke of the pit ascended as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun was darkened, and the air with the smoke of the pit:
And from the smoke of the pit, there came out locusts upon the earth, and power was given to them, as the scorpions of the earth have power. (Apoc: 9:1-3)
Devout Catholic Scriptural commentators for the past 500 years have seen in this vision a prediction of Luther and his Protestant Revolt.
Father Herman Bernard Kramer, in The Book of Destiny, explains, Luther did truly open the pit and let loose against the Church all the fury of hell. Therefore modern interpreters almost universally see in this fallen star, Luther.[1] Father Kramer references the eminent Scriptural commentator, Cornelius a Lapide as making this point.[2]
The whole description of the locusts, Father Kramer explains, fits down to the last detail the kings and princes who established by force the heresy of the 16th Century. He continues:
When Luther propounded his heretical and immoral doctrine, the sky became as it were obscured by smoke. It spread very rapidly over some regions of the earth, and it brought forth princes and kings who were eager to despoil the Church of her possessions. They compelled the people of their domains and in the territories robbed from the Church to accept the doctrines of Luther. The proponents of Protestantism made false translations of the Bible and misled the people into their errors by apparently proving from the Bible (their own translations) the correctness of their doctrines. It was all deceit, lying and hypocrisy. Bad and weak, lax and lukewarm, indifferent and non-practicing Catholics and those who had neglected to get thorough instruction were thus misled; and these, seeing the Catholic Church now through this smoke of error from the abyss and beholding a distorted caricature of the true Church, began both to fear and hate her.[3]
One of the many things I have learned through participating in the forum is how much of an influence Augustine had on Luther. Luther himself acknowledged that Augustines theology greatly influenced his rediscovery of the gospel of grace.
I can't speak for others, but I've addressed every one of those issues and more on these threads over the past 18 years.
Like Luther, Augustine got a lot right. I’m thankful for his ministry.
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