Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
Amen
I'm glad hat you believe in salvation by faith alone, as these passages affirm.
In plain and simple English, all Religion is ‘other worldly’ in focus; hence Faith is a prerequisite. One accepts and adheres to the teachings of one’s faith, all of them, or one doesn’t. As such, lists are absurd.
Rather, the very teaching of the Roman Catholic church call for a list, since she herself places them in different levels, with corresponding degrees of required assent. But without a list then it leaves Catholics wondering if they must submit, for instance, to Climate Change being a grave crises as treated in the latest papal encyclical, and enables some to even reject parts of V2 teaching as forbidding dissent.
One one hand you have papal teaching that states that the one duty of the laity is to simply follow the pastors as docile sheep, and which basically includes all public papal teaching, and on the other hand you have those who pick and choose from such.
Note however that our disagreements here, even if critical, need not impugn many of your posts on other issues.
WRONG. The Catholic Eucharist is absent in the life of the NT church, Acts onward, which is interpretive of the gospels. And it is contrary to the manner of speech used for eating and drinking the flesh and blood of man.
The Catholic Eucharistic is not even taken literally in a straightforward manner, in which the real flesh and blood of Christ that would be crucified is consumed, since that flesh and blood looked like, and would taste like and scientifically texts as real flesh and blood. Instead the Catholic Eucharistic is an entity that looks like, and tastes like and scientifically texts as real brad and wine, but is imagined to be the real flesh and blood of Christ in a sense that requires pagan thought to explain.
if it was JUST bread, why did Paul in 1 Corr 11:27 ff write: Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.
Why? That is evident if you read it in context, versus reading the preconceived Cath Eucharistic into the passage.
Paul reproves Corinthian church for coming together to eat the Lord's supper, as he charges them with not actually doing so because they were eating what is supposed to be a communal meal, the “feast of charity,” (Jude 1:12) independently of each other, so that “in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken,” and thus what they were doing was to “shame them that have not.” (1Co. 11:20-22)
Therefore Paul proceeds to reiterates the words of Christ at the institution of the Lord's supper, ending with “For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew [kataggellō=preach/declare] the Lord's death till he come.” (1 Corinthians 11:23-26)
For while they were supposed to be showing/declaring the Lord's unselfish sacrificial death for the body by unselfishly sharing food with other members of the body of Christ, whom Christ purchased it with His own sinless shed blood, (Acts 20:28) instead they were both eating independently and selfishly. And thus were effectively treating other members as lepers, and as if the body was not a body, and as if others were not part of the body for whom Christ died. This lack of effectual recognition is what is being referred to as “not discerning the Lord's body,” that of the body in which the members are to treat each as blood-bought beloved brethren, as Christ did. Because they were presuming to show the Lord's death for the body while acting contrary to it, therefore they were eating this bread and drinking the cup of the Lord unworthily, hypocritically, and were chastised for it, some unto death. (1Co. 11:27-32)
Because this was the case and cause of condemnation — that of not recognizing the nature of the corporate body of Christ in independently selfishly eating — versus not recognizing the elements eaten as being the body of Christ — then the apostle's solution was, “Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.” (1 Corinthians 11:33-34)
And which leads into the next chapter in which Christ-like love is described. Paul himself was asked of the Lord, “why persecutest thou me” (Acts 9:4) as Paul was attacking the church, thus showing His identification with the church.
And in addition, after the lost are simply sent to Hell at death, and the redeemed are sent to Heaven to be with the Lord where they are already positionally seated, (Eph. 2:6) comes the particular judgments after the Lord's coming, which is where the many-versus-lesser stripes judgment takes place, (Lk. 12:41-48) and not at death, which is simply not the Lord's coming. And thus it is not purgatory, regardless of how compelled one is to compel it to support this tradition of men.
Thanks for your perseverance in reminding us all of this pkan. God has more judgments throughout the Bible than merely Christ’s Bema Seat, and the Freat White Throne judgments.
Likewise...
I don't know if our FR Mormon's have an up-to-date, valid TR card or not, but if not, they need to get one - NOW!
Do they REALLY want to be like the majority of Mormons?
Cardless, and DOOMED to spend eternity with the likes of ME in Level Two of Mormon Heaven??
HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):
Wouldn’t it be nice if this attitude spread?
Quite true.
I have FOUND him!
Pkan?
imardmd1: Thanks for your perseverance in reminding us all of this pkan.
daniel1212: Pkan?
pkan plan -- a mistype
The k is right next to the l key. (My secret code.)
Yes, you have my forgiveness and my blessing. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Matthew, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses nine to fifteen
Mark, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses twenty five to twenty six
Luke, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses one to four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine
And speaking of the Diaspora ...
Before we go to sleep we read the Shema one last time. We also read prayers and psalms that express our desire to clean up our day from all possible missteps, recover from all our mistakes and set the stage for another successful day. The following is the opening paragraph, which has a strong 10th step element, essentially a recap of steps 4-7:
Master of the universe! I hereby forgive anyone who has angered or vexed me, or sinned against me, either physically or financially, against my honor or anything else that is mine, whether accidentally or intentionally, inadvertently or deliberately, by speech or by deed, in this incarnation or in any other – any Israelite; may no man be punished on my account.
May it be Your will, L-rd my G‑d and G‑d of my fathers, that I shall sin no more nor repeat my sins, neither shall I again anger You nor do what is wrong in Your eyes.
The sins I have committed, erase in Your abounding mercies, but not through suffering or severe illnesses.
May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable before You, L-rd, my Strength and my Redeemer.
Beautifully said. Sadly, the Catholic-trained mind will be incapable of discerning the blasphemy of the catholiciism eucharist, as evidenced on these threads by Catholic priests and apologist for that religion, which is ‘another gospel’ accursed by Paul openly in Galatians.
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