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Pope jokes in ecumenical meeting: Who is better - Catholics or Lutherans?
Rome Reports ^ | 10-13-16

Posted on 10/13/2016 3:20:45 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: BlackElk
It is a good thing that John Wayne Gacy is no longer among the living or Frankie would probably appoint him to the College of Cardinals. After all Gacy was a Chicagoan and every bit as worth appointing as Cupich.

As also JP II is no longer among the living, but guess who elevated your "apostate", Bergolio, to the College of Cardinals?

Bingo! JP II.

And guess who elevated Cupich to the College of Cardinals?

Bingo! Your apostate, "Frankie".

And guess who "canonized" JPII?

Bingo! Your apostate, "Frankie".

121 posted on 10/15/2016 12:30:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk; piusv

I retract my comments that I think you may be a cafeteria catholic.

I think you are a cafeteria sedevacantist.


122 posted on 10/15/2016 12:33:21 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk

No. You yourself have said it. You said Bergoglio is an apostate. And apostates cannot be licit popes.

Your even said we are currently in an interregum.

By definition, you currently a sede (and a cafeteria one at that).


123 posted on 10/15/2016 12:48:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk
Vatican II apparently saw Ecclesia BEYOND the boundaries of the Roman Catholic Church (and presumably the Eastern Orthodox Church).

So you think a miserable pope can convene a miserable council and his miserable successor conclude it; and change Catholic dogma?

Do you worship the same "god" that Osama bin Laden worshipped? If not, you reject the Second Vatican Council.

Otherwise, you appear to be a universalist, like Bergoglio.

124 posted on 10/15/2016 3:11:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk

Pope John XXIII is commemorated on the date of his death, 3 June, by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and on the following day, 4 June, by the Anglican Church of Canada and the Episcopal Church (United States).

Your “apostate”, Papa Tango, elevated John XXIII to the altars on April 27, 2014.


125 posted on 10/15/2016 3:25:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: piusv
Actually Sunni and Shiite Islamist covens wage regular shooting war against each other and explode each others' "holy" sites. It is constantly in all the papers and all over the net.

Don't like Pope Saint John Paul II? Enjoy Frankie the schism coddler which makes him closer to your kinda guy. Pope Saint John Paul II excommunicated their sorry patoots and declared them in schism. Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications of those still living but NOT the declaration of schism. Frankie jumped right on it and approved the schismatics to hear confessions without so much as a by-your-leave to diocesan ordinaries.

126 posted on 10/15/2016 5:13:24 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: ebb tide
Question #1: Unequivocally NO!

Question #2: No, especially when the V-II Council did not even CLAIM to be dogmatic.

Question #3: Osama bin Laden worshiped a fiction. I worship the one true God. Again, as to your little editorial, the V-II Council did not CLAIM to be dogmatic.

I am a Roman Catholic in communion with the Holy See, if not its current occupier, and with my diocesan bishop and always have been. I also refuse to give aid and comfort to schizzies and I always will. Frankie may be anything from some kind of Catholic to a Universalist or worse. To the best of my knowledge, amazingly, he has yet to address such alternatives in off-the-cuff imbecilities or otherwise but..... stay tuned.

Given some of his spontaneous foolishness, I am given to wonder whether he is a clandestine drinker who knows how to avoid the image.

127 posted on 10/15/2016 5:23:04 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlackElk; piusv
Don't like Pope Saint John Paul II? Enjoy Frankie the schism coddler which makes him closer to your kinda guy.

Your "apostate" schism coddler supposedly canonized your hero, who invoked St John the Baptist to protect Islam.


128 posted on 10/15/2016 5:25:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I think that you are the east high end of a westbound horse.


129 posted on 10/15/2016 5:28:22 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: piusv
You are an ignorant dope and dupe. Deal with it!

While we are at it, WHO is your pope still alive in this world? Or did Jesus Christ make false promises, according to you and the schizzies?

130 posted on 10/15/2016 5:41:12 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: piusv

Capitalizing the word SAINT in reference to JP II makes sense. I will take you up on that: Pope SAINT John Paul II. I like that. It has a certain CATHOLIC ring to it. Yeah!


131 posted on 10/15/2016 5:44:22 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

And I think you have your nose up the Heaven end of a hell bound Cupich.

Happy trails!


132 posted on 10/15/2016 5:49:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk
Let's follow the trail:

John XXIII elevated Paul VI to the college of cardinals.

Paul VI elevated JP II to the college of cardinals.

JP II elevated Bergoglio to the college of cardinals.

And Bergoglio is about to elevate Cupich to the college of cardinals. Do you not understand your hypocrisy by being a cafeteria sede?

133 posted on 10/15/2016 6:08:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk; piusv

Who is your pope, Black Elk?

You have already declared Bergoglio to be an apostate and that we are now in period of interregnum.

Who you waiting for to be your pope? Cupich? Dolan? Daneels?


134 posted on 10/15/2016 6:15:54 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk
...the V-II Council did not CLAIM to be dogmatic.

I'm glad that you have finally admitted that. But it doesn't explain your vitriol for traditional Catholics who claim the same.

Hypocrite.

135 posted on 10/15/2016 6:52:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk
I am a Roman Catholic in communion with the Holy See,...

Impossible. Sedevanctists, by definition, are not in communion with the Holy See.

136 posted on 10/15/2016 6:58:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk
You first claimed, "Vatican II apparently saw Ecclesia BEYOND the boundaries of the Roman Catholic Church (and presumably the Eastern Orthodox Church)."

Yet you later stated, "...the V-II Council did not even CLAIM to be dogmatic."

Please make up your mind in that cafeteria in your head.


137 posted on 10/15/2016 8:33:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlackElk; ebb tide
You are an ignorant dope and dupe. Deal with it!

No real comeback so you resort to ad hominems.

You have shown yourself to be a sedevacantist by admitting that you believe we live in an interregnum, but you can not accept that because that would mean you would have to condemn yourself as a schismatic along with the others you call schismatic.

I actually agree that the belief that we live in an interregnum is not non-Catholic. But then again, there is no Catholic teaching that states how long an interregnum can be, so it is not for you to tell other sedevacantists that they are schismatic because they believe that we live in a longer period of interregnum than you do. In fact, it is hypocritical.

You have judged Francis an apostate (and I agree). If you can judge that, then it isn't a stretch for others to judge that we have had a string of apostates given they have said and done things very similar to "Frankie" (although I agree he is far worse in some regards). It all stems from Vatican II. Frankie is just the latest "fruit" of Vatican II. Through Frankie, the Modernists are moving further ahead with the revolution. We should be uniting against the Modernist revolution of Vatican II not fighting with one another. The problem is despite the fact that keep saying Vatican II wasn't dogmatic, etc, you seem to believe the teachings of Vatican II. Maybe you just don't see that. Do you agree with ecumenism (for example)?

138 posted on 10/16/2016 3:47:16 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: BlackElk; ebb tide
While we are at it, WHO is your pope still alive in this world? Or did Jesus Christ make false promises, according to you and the schizzies?

We just determined that we live in an interregnum. Since when does an interregnum mean that Christ made false promises? Where is the Catholic teaching that states that? Where is the Catholic teaching that there must always be an occupant in the Chair of Peter? Where is the teaching that states that every successive occupant will be legitimate? By the way, there isn't one so I am not expecting you to answer those questions.

And you yourself have determined that the last occupant is not legitimate. There are consequences for that belief. One of which is that his infallible canonizations (John XXIII and JPII and soon to be Paul VI) are not infallible.

139 posted on 10/16/2016 4:03:58 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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