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Reformation Sunday comes back to haunt me
The Motherlands ^ | October 29, 2016 | Denise Renner

Posted on 10/30/2016 4:26:18 PM PDT by ebb tide

We’ve been hearing a lot about Martin Luther lately. Earlier this year, Lutherans received communion at St. Peter’s Basilica. Then there was the chocolate Luther on display at the Vatican, part of a Lutheran pilgrimage leading up to the Reformation celebration in Lund, Sweden, which Pope Francis is attending.

As a former Lutheran myself, this is all very unexpected.

I was under the distinct impression that Martin Luther was not regarded favorably by the Church. (“The Pope is the Antichrist” thing; the excommunication bit.) When my husband wanted to become Catholic and I (emphatically) did not, I dreaded Reformation Sunday. I even asked him to put aside his opinions about this historic event for one day, so we could enjoy the festivities. Can’t we just celebrate the reformers breaking free from the horrors of Catholicism? The priests, nuns, saints, confession, male chauvinists, etc.?

So it’s odd, after so much effort and struggle on my husband’s part, all the prayers, research, hours logged on New Advent, and listening to Catholic Answers—that now we’re having a joint party. Had the pope crashed our Reformation service I would have questioned the pope’s convictions, not my own.

But that didn’t happen. I enjoyed my Reformation Sunday, and another one after that, before the blinders came off. As I devoured Catholic books, the Church became not just compelling but irresistible. So I jumped in, heart and soul and mind, desiring conversion.

In one sense, life switched courses completely at that moment. There was a clear division between the “old self” and the “new self.” Many of my beliefs changed, and so did many of my actions and intentions. My thinking could be classified as “before” and “after.” If both religions are basically the same, that wouldn’t have been the case.

There is another severing I’m intimately acquainted with: divorce.

When a mother and father divorce, the children are the ones who long for unity to be restored, even long after childhood has ended. They remember what it was like to have the family together, to feel happy, secure, and part of something larger than themselves: the product of love.

By contrast, in the dissolution ushered in by the Reformation, it is our parents—God our Father and Mary our Mother—who hold dear the memory of a united Christendom, a reality which no modern Catholic has ever known, of a time when there weren’t a thousand splinter religions.

Now Protestantism finds itself in the same boat as modern families: made up of tenuous links, attachments made and broken, just like the flotsam and jetsam left behind in the wreckage wrought by divorce.

And just like the child of divorce, we are asked to look at the Reformation and see only the good that came of it, the good work done by various churches and the renewal within the Church in response to the 95 theses.

But isn’t this like parents asking their children to gloss over the redefinition of “family” in favor of the very polygamy which Christ abolished? They are also asked to validate the changes in mom and dad’s new and “reformed” lives, to be happy for them—to see only the good. But the fact remains: there can never be a just substitute for the loss of fidelity, unity, and continuity between husband and wife, parents and children.

When we dare to celebrate the occasion of the Protestant Revolution, we are saying exactly what proponents of divorce say: “Do what makes you happy,” and “Keep searching until you find it.” Whether the goal is a better spouse or a better religion with just the right mix of teachings, or the right number of sacraments.

It is not wrong to want others to have the graces offered only within the Catholic Church. My husband continued to want that for me even when I rejected it and held fast to Lutheranism—and what a blessing his perseverance has been to our lives. There was ample reason to celebrate my departure from Reformation Sunday festivities and subsequent entrance into the Church of Christ. For She alone possesses the sacraments and priests, dogmas and doctrines, martyrs and saints, which unite us in “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” to God our Father and Mary our Mother.

Normally we celebrate anniversaries we wish to see repeated: birthdays, weddings, sobriety. Do we want another Reformation? That depends on who you ask.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; heretics; luther
Normally we celebrate anniversaries we wish to see repeated: birthdays, weddings, sobriety. Do we want another Reformation? That depends on who you ask.
1 posted on 10/30/2016 4:26:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
"Do we want another Reformation?

Why would "we" want or need another Reformation? The autocratic stranglehold of a then corrupt Church is over.

2 posted on 10/30/2016 4:35:27 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Ted Kennedy burns in hell.)
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To: ebb tide

I just heard, growing up, that the whole reformation was based on Martin Luther’s desire to fornicate with a woman. He never intended it to turn into a movement.


3 posted on 10/30/2016 4:38:03 PM PDT by looois
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To: ebb tide

The Church is corrupt and is being punished with a Lutheran Pope. The scourging cannot last forever.


4 posted on 10/30/2016 4:41:23 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide

The essential problem I see in Catholicism is its obsession with those who reject their claim of being the only legitimate Christianity.
If unity is so important to them, there is nothing stopping them from dropping their claim that Rome is the seat of legitimate Christianity.

Its a little like a nutty ex who wants you back, and tries to convince you that they were right all along, and that all can be ok if you simply accept that you should submit to them again.

But I always enjoy these anguished, “I used to be a protestant” tales.


5 posted on 10/30/2016 4:42:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (November 8, America's Brexit!!!)
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To: looois

It seems like an awful lot to go through just so one can get laid. That story defies logic. But let’s say it’s true. I don’t think anybody claims that Luther was without sin, including himself. The Church was still hopelessly corrupt.


6 posted on 10/30/2016 4:47:11 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Ted Kennedy burns in hell.)
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To: DesertRhino
But I always enjoy these anguished, “I used to be a protestant” tales.

I'm glad you enjoy them. I hope one day you can give us your very own story of your conversion to the One, True Church.

7 posted on 10/30/2016 4:49:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: looois

“I just heard, growing up, that the whole reformation was based on Martin Luther’s desire to fornicate with a woman.”

Yeah, that’s what it was. Go back to sleep.
That’s why the 95 Thesis didn’t mention celibacy or women or sex. That’s why the 95 Thesis all supported 3 themes.

1. Selling indulgences to finance the building of St. Peter’s is wrong.

2. The pope has no power over Purgatory.

3. Buying indulgences gives people a false sense of security and endangers their salvation.


8 posted on 10/30/2016 4:50:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (November 8, America's Brexit!!!)
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To: ebb tide
Now Protestantism finds itself in the same boat as modern families: made up of tenuous links, attachments made and broken, just like the flotsam and jetsam left behind in the wreckage wrought by divorce.

The soccer mom mind. Brought to you in the millions, by The Committee To Normalize Hillary, for the last twenty years.


9 posted on 10/30/2016 4:55:39 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ebb tide
I was under the distinct impression that Martin Luther was not regarded favorably by the Church.

Well, check your Catholic hymnal. You'll probably find "A mighty fortress is our God" by Martin Luther. Hmm. That's awkward.

10 posted on 10/30/2016 6:09:36 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin

Nope. Not in my Catholic Church.


11 posted on 10/30/2016 6:28:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; DesertRhino
I'm glad you enjoy them. I hope one day you can give us your very own story of your conversion to the One, True Church.

You continue to illustrate the problem with roman catholicism.

They think joining a church is what saves you. It is not.

Faith in Christ is what saves you....not church membership.

Very rarely do I hear the catholic refer to themself as a Christian...it's usually "I'm a catholic". Not, "I'm a Christian".

There is a difference.

and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26 NASB (emphasis mine)

12 posted on 10/30/2016 7:29:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; Tao Yin
Perhaps not your's but certainly in other Catholic hymnals... Why is "A Mighty Fortress in the Catholic Hymnal"
13 posted on 10/30/2016 7:30:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Tao Yin
Well, check your Catholic hymnal. You'll probably find "A mighty fortress is our God" ...

Yusuf Islam as Cat Stevens wrote and performed some great songs too ...
14 posted on 10/30/2016 7:34:47 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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