Posted on 12/05/2016 3:10:37 PM PST by Jonty30
What is the meaning of the Pope praying in a mosque?
“Allah is the generic Arabic word for’god’. Not a certain deity.”
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As I said it was the word used for deities in the pre-Christian polytheist Arab pagan pantheon. Mo even referenced them, that’s what the “Satanic Verses” todo was about:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/satanicverses.htm
I think it’s Alliyah, not Allah. Totally different.
“all referred to pagan deities”
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That’s the point right there, it assumed a multiplicity of deities - a pantheon, not One True God, especially not the Judeo-Christian one.
Allah has the same semitic root and meaning as Hebrew Elohim. It means God/Lord.
Just because it also was used for other pagan deities doesn’t change the fact that it was used also by Arabic Christians and Jews.
“Allah the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”
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Like saying “Zeus the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit”. Or Osirus, Balder, Janus, Cernunnos, etc.
“Just because it also was used for other pagan deities doesn’t change the fact that it was used also by Arabic Christians and Jews.”
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If they didn’t know better or were in fear of having their heads removed from their bodies if they didn’t, it’s understandable.
The same way the English word ‘god’ is used when describing any kind of deity whether the god of the Bible or any pagan figure.
Jews and Christians used ‘Allah’ (as it appears also in Arammaic... the prvalent semitic language in the ancient Middle East) BEFORE Islam.
The name of the pagan deity of Mekka was ‘Hubal’. Of course the Arabs called him Allah as he was their god.
*Aramaic
“The name of the pagan deity of Mekka was ‘Hubal’. Of course the Arabs called him Allah as he was their god.”
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He may have been a local fave, just as Diana of Ephesus was - but still just one of the Arabic pantheon.
Here’s some background:
http://wathanism.blogspot.com/2011/11/deities-beings-and-figures-in-arabian.html
No, more like saying “Omnipotens Deus, Pater, et Filius, et Spiritus Sanctus.”
You may not think this is quite right, but the Arabic-speaking Christians do,and it’s reasonable for us to assume that they know more about their language than we do.
I wanted to explain it in terms of their concept of God being different, because “our” God would never allow their atrocities.
The Catechism is much kinder that many saints were:
“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori
More here: http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/
An unbeliever praying with a bunch of unbelievers ... it means nothing.
Practically all non-Jewish ancient religions assumed a multiplicity of deities. Nevertheless, words from their religious cultures were appropriated for Christian use.
Interestingly, Muslim political forces in Malaysia are trying to make it illegal for Malaysian Christians to use the word “Allah” in their Bibles. The Muslims are apparently too ignorant to realize the Christians had the word before they did —— by half a millennium.
In any case, I can’t explain it further. I can only tell you that historically, culturally, that’s the way it is. You’ll have to ask the Christians why.
“Practically all non-Jewish ancient religions assumed a multiplicity of deities.”
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In Judaism there/is what could be called a “Heavenly Court” or “Divine Council” where many Christians see a Trinity in the term “Elohim”.
should be -
“In Judaism there was/is”
Yes — interesting.
This is some interesting reading on the “Divine Council” aspect, includes some pdf files that can be downloaded:
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com
There is another reason Muslim clerics and kings don’t want the Qur’an translated. By so doing, their biggest deception dissolves. Muslims protest that Allah is simply the Arabic word for God and that we all worship the same spirit. But that’s simply not true. The Qur’an says that “Ilah” is the Arabic word for “God” and that “Allah” is his name. Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true expla-nation:There is no Ilah (God) except Allah.” Qur’an 52:43 “Have they an ilah (god) other than Allah?” Qur’an 5:4 “Pronounce the Name of Allah, and fear Allah.” Qur’an 21:107 “Say: ‘It is revealed to me that your Ilah (God) is only one Ilah (God).” Qur’an 20:8 “Allah! There is no Ilah (God) save Him.” Qur’an 20:14 “Verily, I am Allah. No Ilah (God) may be worshiped but I.” Qur’an 20:97 “Your Ilah (God) is Allah: there is no Ilah (God) but He.” Qur’an 59:22 “Allah is He, no other Ilah (God) may be worshiped; He is Allah, Whom there is no other Ilah (God).”
Prophel of Doom, prologue, page xxii
Craig Winn (2004)
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/pdf/Prophet_of_Doom_Prologue.pdf
I suspect when Jesus declared “Holy is Your name”, He wasn’t referring to “Allah”.
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