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To: Repent and Believe; ebb tide; MHGinTN; boatbums; metmom; redleghunter; Elsie

Its time you and your cohorts actually answer some questions.

Since you Repent and Believe (and i presume ebb tide) believe such things as:

even people who call themselves Catholic these days really aren’t.

That is because 50 years ago a council was held where apostates left the Catholic faith as they created new dogmas that are at odds with the faith of Jesus Christ,

Those 50 years ago they broke with a number of the unchanging dogmas

It is thus and then that the Whore of Babylon, I suppose, was born,

the 1983 Code of Canon Law is not a Catholic document.
That is because it was authored by heretics and apostates, not the true Catholic Church

The Church has held but one Vatican Council so far.
In fact we haven’t had a true pope since A.D. 1958.

Then as one who professes to uphold historical RC teaching, do you you honestly yearn to see a Catholic monarchy rule this nation, and the medieval temporal powers of Catholic church and the Inquisition regained?

Would you affirm:

Pope Leo X: That it is against the will of the Spirit to burn heretics at the stake is condemned as false. (Pope Leo X, “Exsurge Domino,” 1520)

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council, 1215:

..Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure,...for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church..

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated..declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance..

The same law is to be observed in regard to those who have no chief rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics, shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defense of the Holy Land. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)

Pope Innocent IV, Ad extirpanda: The head of state or ruler must force all the heretics whom he has in custody... to confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know,

Pope Pius IX, Error condemned: In this age of ours, it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion be the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other cults whatsoever.

Pope Alexander: We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii:

Pope Innocent III: The crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection. (Pope Innocent III, “Epistle to the Hierarchy of France,” July 15, 1205)

If you do not affirm any of these explain what you want instead.


1,051 posted on 01/18/2017 6:25:16 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

“Its time you and your cohorts actually answer some questions...Then as one who professes to uphold historical RC teaching, do you you honestly yearn to see a Catholic monarchy rule this nation, and the medieval temporal powers of Catholic church and the Inquisition regained?...”

The one holy Catholic Apostolic Church yields to the 1917 Code of Canon Law.

It was brought about to enable the current Catholic to know what is authentic Christianity as compared to numerous assertions and versions of what may contain the true faith.

It is my understanding that anything absent from it is not necessary to hold as a Christian.

As the astute historian you present yourself as, how familiar with this event of its creation and with its content are you?


1,058 posted on 01/18/2017 10:06:51 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: daniel1212; Repent and Believe; ebb tide; MHGinTN; boatbums; redleghunter; Elsie
One question I would like to see answered by even ONE Catholic is this....

Is the college of Cardinals guided by the Holy Spirit in their selection of the pope?

For all the times this question has been asked, I cannot ever remember getting a real answer to it.

I recall one Catholic at least finally addressed it but never really answered it.

So R&B and ebbtide, what are YOUR answers?

Yes?

or

No?

1,064 posted on 01/19/2017 1:14:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212

Heck; even Martin Luther didn’t criticize Rome’s current pope like so MANY of our FR ‘catholics’ do!


1,074 posted on 01/19/2017 4:52:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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