Posted on 02/04/2017 5:55:17 PM PST by marshmallow
Edited on 02/04/2017 6:26:43 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
VATICAN CITY (AP)
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That’s usually how it starts: stop giving money.
Us too. We give nothing to our parish directly, about 20% goes to the Bishop.
Our donations go to an orphanage run by devote nuns (we know them) and to schools trying to instill the faith. There are many Catholic schools just as bad as public schools so you have to get to know them as well.
Giving tithes is harder now.
Hey, it's YOUR church that requires it.
If you have to keep the Ten, then you’ve gotta keep the whole Law. 614 Laws in the OT. if your counting on this for salvation you’re back under the OT and not the NT.
Hey, it’s YOUR church that requires it.
You have not read all the memos closely or with an open mind—or perhaps the Pope sent you something that he didn’t bother to send me, and so I missed a memo you have read.
Oh, and let’s not forget the required beliefs in Mary.
And yet those who did it during the Reformation are castigated in the harshest possible terms.
And yet they forget what Luther was objecting to.
The sale of indulgences and the corruption and immorality of the papacy.
And here we have almost the exact same thing going on and now those who are protesting are making excuses. It's *different* this time.
Yeah right.
It kind of gives credence to the thought that they don't have any problems with the immorality and corruption and abuse of church power the Catholic church was engaging in in those days.
Oh, and let’s not forget the required attendance at mass.
Like Luther did and many others and they killed and ex communicated them for objecting to the immorality and corruption.
Should they have sat silent and not complained?
All I know is that one very conservative Catholic friend said she can’t stand the Pope, and another Catholic friend who voted for hiLIARy and is pro abortion yet feels her religion compels her to accept ALL immigrants just said she LOVES the Pope.
It's only *Catholic only* if it says *Catholic caucus*.
Otherwise you are free to post.
And yes, as a former Catholic you will be uninvited in not so nice manner and escorted off the thread. Even when they tell you that once a Catholic always a Catholic and you have some sort of indelible Catholic mark on your soul form water baptism. And then encouraged to *cross the Tiber* and come back *home*.
Thanks for pinging me as well. This opens up an interesting, but somewhat frequently trod, path of discussion. Luther was doing a lot of things in a lot of ways. Some of his objections and methods were dfinitely good and valid, but that does not mean that they all were.
Unfortunately, my supply of castable pearls is rather limitted this morning, and I have people of evident bonae voluntatae (of good will), who are demanding things with claim—like breakfast. So, without passing judgment on whether or not this discussion with you is a good use of someone’s time, and while agreeing that this discussion is one worth having in the abstract, I must spend my time elsewhere.
Where are we told that as believers we are under the Law and must obey it?
So on what basis do you decide if the pope is wrong?
To what standard is he being held to measure him against and make that judgment?
Oh, so they CHANGED their minds, did they?
From the church that never changes?
Plus, is depends some on the Catholic you are talking to.
Perhaps y’all could get on the same page about that some day.
And I need to head off to church.
Later.
Your response makes absolutely no sense as a response to the post to which it claims to respond.
Cite me something from a council or an official papal document. Not something that you claim to have heard or read from some random Catholic somewhere.
“So on what basis do you decide if the pope is wrong? To what standard is he being held to measure him against and make that judgment?
When any pope promotes notions & ideas that are in direct conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ it is appropriate to stand up & say “NO!”
Suggesting people who divorced & remarried should be allowed to receive Holy Communion sans annulment is in conflict with the Gospel of Christ & the Sacred Traditions of the Catholic Church. It is in conflict with Catechism as well. That’s my “basis”.
>>Hey, it's YOUR church that requires it.<<
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Unam Sanctam
His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII November 18, 1302
http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_bo08us.htm
This is why Christians say roman catholics have to do what the pope says. This statement doesn't give the catholic any leeway on what they want to believe.
One may be in some sense subject without having a Papal implant in one’s brain. There are many people I am in some sense subject to. All of these have limits, including the Pope.
Just because one is obliged to be subject to someone in some way does not mean they are obliged to be subject to them in every way and believe that everything that the superior does is the best possible thing from all angles.
In some attenuated way, everyone who is of good will is subject to Christ, and everyone who is subject to Christ atleast implicitly desires what Christ wants.
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