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To: metmom

Yes but we would be arguing that Jesus chose Judas specifically for him to fail. IOW Judas was condemned from the moment he was chosen. I don’t see that in the Scripture. Judas was stealing but Peter rebuked Jesus, calling him a liar. So sin was still present in the Disciples while Jesus was with them.

It reduces the whole of the Gospels into mere theater, with all the actors simply playing their roles.


28 posted on 02/20/2017 6:57:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy
Yes but we would be arguing that Jesus chose Judas specifically for him to fail.

Jesus didn't choose him TO fail.

Jesus chose him knowing what he would do.

No way Jesus is going to set someone up to fail.

IOW Judas was condemned from the moment he was chosen.

Judas was condemned before he was chosen. He was never saved in the first place.

How is that any different from God raising up Pharaoh?

29 posted on 02/20/2017 7:03:17 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: AppyPappy

Many are called few are chosen. Jesus said that in a parable.

He also said in John 6 “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”

Jesus knows His sheep and they hear His voice. Judas was not listening.


158 posted on 02/20/2017 8:24:17 PM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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