Posted on 04/16/2017 7:33:13 AM PDT by piusv
Schism clock edges closer to Midnight, wound by Bergoglio and his cabal.
Those words, “respect and delicacy”—Is this how MEN talk?
Respect? Yes. Delicacy? Not so much.
I recently attended a conference at the University of Dallas. There was a good Jesuit speaking. There was a question about the dubia. He answered: "When the pope writes an encyclical, it is always passed through experts within the magisterium before publication to make sure it contains no errors - that is until four years ago."
Not commenting on the substance of the article, but I like the phrase “Dubia Brothers”.
It’s time for Cardinal Burke et al. to step up to the plate....
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Amen!
(I have to admit to chuckling at the title “Dubia Brothers” because it kept reminding me of the Doobie Brothers.)
Prayers for Holy Mother Church.
Good point.
Cardinal Burke has always said that the four cardinals were following the Gospel of Matthew in their approach to Francis and Amoris Laetitia. Obviously, Louie is clueless about the planning of the correction. Too bad he didn't do better research before making a fool out of himself writing this.
Paraphrasing the Gospel of Matthew: approach the person you have a concern with in private first. If you can't work it out, return with a few others (the other three cardinals) and try again. If that doesn't work either, take it to the whole Church. That is EXACTLY what Burke and the other three cardinals have done.
First, let’s be clear; there is nothing “normal” about this situation.
So what? That doesn't mean that you don't follow a prudent plan.
Secondly, lest anyone make too much of the word “public,” the “formal act of correction” that Burke first mentioned was always understood to be public since a private correction would do nothing to resolve the crisis concerning the errors in Amoris Laetitia.
Louie is full of BS. They were always going to do it privately first, per Matthew. How do you know that "a private correction would do nothing to resolve the crisis" until you try it? In the real world, you ALWAYS try to resolve things privately, behind the scenes, before you take it public. DUH! Is he that stupid?
Finally, while some will pin their hopes for a correction on the fact that Cardinal Burke didn’t flatly say, “No,” it certainly looks like we may be heading in that direction.
That's his conclusion -- after basing it on false assumptions. Idiot.
Burke is simply reiterating this in his InfoVaticana interview; even going so far as to express confidence (genuine or not) that “the Holy Father will respond at that moment;” with the implication being that Francis will somehow deign to correct his own errors.
Why anyone in their right mind would believe such a thing is beyond me...
They HAVE to try that first and give Francis the benefit of the doubt. They can't just be bulls in a china shop.
So, the “pope” who refuses to answer five simple “Catholicism 101” questions in the midst of widespread doctrinal confusion and sacrilege isn’t going to invite the authors of said questions for a sit-down so they can put him on the spot…
He already invited them. The private correction has already occurred, per numerous sources. He has only refused to meet with them a second time. Louie's research sucks again.
If you find this surprising, you just might believe what Cardinal Burke had to say about Benedict the Abdicator:
“I have never spoken with him about the dubia.”
Riiiight.
Is Louie implying that Cardinal Burke is lying? Burke doesn't lie. How does he know that Burke hasn't spoken to Benedict about the situation, just not specifically about the dubia? Does Louie have proof that they met? If not, he should STHU*.
Pope John XXII... resisted their correction, but then, before he died, he did retract what he had said that was in error.
This is factually incorrect. An excerpt from the 1914 Catholic Encyclopedia should suffice to clarify the matter:
And how do you know that the 1914 Catholic Encyclopedia is correct and the information that Cardinal Burke has is wrong? I didn't realize that the 1914 Encyclopedia was the one and only accurate source of information.
Apparently, Louie want pay-per-view in order to watch the cardinals correct Francis. He doesn't have the faintest idea what's going on behind the scenes. He should just STHU.
* If the word "Hell" is allowed on the Religion Forum, it's "shut the hell up." If not, it's "shut the heck up."
Speaking of rants, I predict that on the matter of Burke and the Dubia you are going to eat crow.
Difficult to schism if no one schisms.
I have to hope patience proves a virtue, in this case before God. I must trust Cardinal Burke and the three others to carry this out. They must be dreading ramifications, of a real possibility of schism, regardless of their coming efforts for correction.
Perhaps they have reason to believe nothing will be reversed or change, after they go forward. Francis seems now a “condition”, not a Pope in the traditional sense and if so, therefore, The Four may know very well he will not be pursuaded. Lord have mercy.
What about the rumblings that other cardinals, in Rome, are growing concerned with this Pope? Possibly, Cardinal Burke knows other forces may come into play soon and can not be revealing the set of the table, for our consumption?
These are my prayers. I believe Cardinal Burke will do what must be done, but something is giving him pause, or cause for delay.
Thanks for all the links Father that said the Pope said He was Pro-Death.Not.Thank you for all The Easter Blessings for all the FR Family.Not.I wonder about you.You told me not to pray for you.
I think I agree with you. I believe if our God willed this to be done in our timing, quickly, it would be done already.
Our Lord will take each of us one way or another. Francis will be taken also, one way or another.
Penance is at play here. In this era, the penitent of the Church are shrinking in number.
You are hallucinating.
I do hope you are correct. Could you cite those sources?
I believe the private correction was the one made before the Dubia was made public. I have seen no reports that a private correction (post-public Dubia) has been made. On the contrary, Burke has requested an audience with Francis and he has not granted him one.
While Burke awaits for the stars to be perfectly aligned, how many souls are going to Hell?
Aren’t those going to Hell going there on their own steam?
Do you think that this delay is out of God’s hands?
I’m interested in what you think about God’s wrath, due against an impenitent people. (I mean, it’s a great trouble laid against the Church, with real consequences— almost like an apostasy.)
I also wonder about the formation of the Remnant, by this crisis. Seems this is all foretold in sacred scripture. The wolves, and many will perish, being led to Perdition, and the anti-Christ, etc.
This crisis seems larger than Burke’s efforts can assuage. I look around and there is no one crying out publicaly, but the The Four.
Who will correct the pope? It would take a mighty hand to turn the College, I think.
I believe schism is the Pope’s intent, as long as Rome keeps the property. Bergoglio is not one to tolerate heterodoxy against the Gospel according to Bergoglio.
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