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To: unlearner

“Then the translators of the Douay-Rheims Bible must be heretics.”

It’s as if you can’t stop yourself from posting your untrue claims.

To correct your latest false claim (this time about the translators of the DRV:

“Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?” (James 2:24 - Douay-Rheims Bible)


270 posted on 10/23/2017 8:43:48 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

“To correct your latest false claim (this time about the translators of the DRV: ‘Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?’ (James 2:24 - Douay-Rheims Bible)”

Here is the Tyndale translation of the same passage:

“Ye se then how that of dedes a man is iustified and not of fayth only.”

Wow. Tyndale sure seems to be hiding his heresy cleverly here. It almost sounds like he translated the passage you cited to have the same essential meaning as Douay-Rheims.

Maybe, Douay-Rheims were not heretics, if that is the case.

Or maybe, Tyndale was falsely accused and murdered under the pretext of heresy.

But that would only matter to honest people who are not hell-bent on killing folks who disagree with their religious views.

The passage you cited does not mean what you think it means. Here’s a clue. When is a person justified? When they believe, or when they do works? And which comes first, justification, or works? Which comes first, salvation from the penalty of sins or works?

Saying that justification is by faith alone is not the same as saying that saving faith abides alone. Saving faith produces the fruits of righteous deeds, always, in every case. James distinguishes false faith from the real. But justification, salvation from the penalty of sin, occurs before works of righteousness. Justification occurs when a person believes. Only those who have already been pardoned by God for their sins can begin to do works of righteousness. The fruit of the Spirit begins with faith, but it does not abide alone. Justification IS by faith alone, but justifying faith NEVER remains alone.

It is in this sense that James and Paul do not contradict each other. Salvation is not earned. It is a gift. Those who teach working for salvation are heretics.

But then heretics twist scriptures, and they apparently have no qualms twisting a man’s words to prove the capital crime of heresy so they can kill him.

Heretics seem to exalt their own views above scripture. To them their opinions are facts. Their emotions are logic. Their doctrine is infallible. And any who disagree are supposedly the heretics and bearers of false witness.

To a heretic, those who speak the truth seem to be heretics. But the real heretics follow the murderous ways of Cain, Jezebel, the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians.

This is how a person can tell the children of God from the children of the Devil:

1 John 3:10-15 (Douay-Rheims)
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil. Whosoever is not just, is not of God, nor he that loveth not his brother.
For this is the declaration, which you have heard from the beginning, that you should love one another.
Not as Cain, who was of the wicked one, and killed his brother. And wherefore did he kill him? Because his own works were wicked: and his brother’s just.
Wonder not, brethren, if the world hate you.
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not, abideth in death.
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in himself.


272 posted on 10/24/2017 12:39:56 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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