Posted on 11/22/2017 9:12:43 AM PST by Salvation
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Is there such a thing a Purgatory? Nope. Not Biblical.
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If you want to live forever, you need to be born again. Otherwise, you die once (your body) and you die a second time (your soul), and you are no more.
Jewishnotgreek.com
4 Nicode'mus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
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The thread is about hell.
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
As John 3:16 and Romans 6 23 can attest. You are either born again and enter into eternity, or you die/perish. And in both cases, your condition is eternal.
Interestingly, the bible never says that the choice is heaven or hell. It says the choice is eternal life or death. i.e. it is not about geography. It is about condition. You are either alive or you are dead. I choose life.
Being born of water and the spirit is talking about Baptism.
Did Pope, Charles say anything about Purgatory?
Pope, Charles says: “Clearly, Hell is a tragic and eternal separation from God. Repentance, which unlocks mercy, is available to us; but after death, like clay pottery placed in the kiln, our decision is forever fixed.”
That shows that the Bible clearly excludes a Purgatory from which one can escape. However, the Bible tells us that the dead not-in-Christ go initially to Hades/Sheol which is pretty bad, until they are resurrected for the Great White Throne Judgement. Their “Book” is opened and if their name is not found in the “Lamp’s Book of Life”, they are thrown into the Eternal Lake of Fire, or “Outer Darkness” which is forever.
Since, with Elohim, all things are possible, it is possible that someone from Hades might be found in the Book of Life, but who wants to take the chance.
There is so little of Mystery Babylon in Pope, Charles teachings that it is kind of offensive for someone to introduce it. Even if they are just doing it to “virtue signal” their Bereanism. May I suggest more time with the letters of John.
My point is that you can not be born of the spirit if you have not accepted God’s free gift. Only Christians are born of the spirit.
G’day, SubMareener! Nice to have you on the thread.
(I slept in late today and just about caught myself saying “Good Morning....) :o)
True that you can’t find Babylon Mystery in Charles Pope.
He’s all Catholic!
Yes, he is!
Remember when the Apostles tried to replace Judas Iscariot by giving Elohim two choices to pick from? Well, how did that work out for them? Jesus chose Saul of Tarsus, and we never heard about Matthias again.
Likewise, I believe we have never been without a True Pope, even if Elohim had to pick and name him Himself.
And, BTW, I agree that Hell is indeed separation from God, the scriptures clearly teach that.
However, you seem to be indicating that Purgatory *may* exist.
The teaching of Purgatory is against scripture - because we are told to “choose” in this life, not the next.
Before arguing for or against “purgatory”, it would behoove folks to be sure that they understand exactly what is meant by “purgatory”. Arguing against something that NOBODY argues for is kind of pointless and a waste of time.
No, I am saying that there are a lot of false teachings out there, and when I find a pastor who avoids them, it say “Thank you, Jesus”. So, I don’t know why you would bring up something that was not mentioned in the article, except as some snarky Catholic bashing. Maybe you should read the Letter from James, as well.
Amen!
It’s in Scripture, but you may not have it in your Bible since your Bible is incomplete.
The fire and other miseries are largely expressions of the sad condition of those who have rejected the one thing for which they were made: to be caught up into the love and perfection of God and the joy of all the saints.
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:7-15 NASB
Heaven is a place of absolute perfection, a work accomplished by God for those who say yes.
To be clear....Heaven is for those who have faith in Christ.
6Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:6 NASB
Hell, though a place of great evil, is not one of absolute evil. It cannot be, because God continues to sustain human and angelic beings in existence there and existence itself is good. God also judges them according to their deeds (Rom 2:6). Their good deeds may ameliorate their sufferings. This, too, is good and allows for good in varying degrees there. Hell is not in any way pleasant, but it is not equally bad for all. Thus Gods justice, which is good, reaches even Hell.
1Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:1-11 NASB
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