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Former Pastor Says He Lost Faith After Staff Member Beat Spouse, Faithful Mother Lost Baby
Christian Post ^ | 12/05/2017 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 12/05/2017 7:37:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Maybe it’s just not as disappointing when atheists do it, because you don’t expect them to adhere to any moral standards besides whatever they feel like on that particular day.


21 posted on 12/05/2017 7:51:18 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

In looking at their pictures, quite the faces of a couple of shysters. They’ll be taking a group for some $.


22 posted on 12/05/2017 7:52:42 AM PST by marychesnutfan
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To: SkyShot

They’re emergent, liberal, sqishy, etc etc.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=willow%20creek%20heretic&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=willow%20creek%20heretic&sc=2-20&sk=&cvid=0B2E29F7FD114F4D834F91AB3201E459


23 posted on 12/05/2017 7:53:00 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Beneath the appearance and the surfaces of people's lives there was a level of suffering and brokenness for which my theology did not touch."

I suspect this is because his theology was wrapped up in the "Expect a Miracle" crowd that thinks the only thing that prevents miracles from happening is a lack of faith.

Look at the Book of Acts and the number of misfortunes that befell them. Was it because they didn't believe hard enough?

Sometimes misfortunes happen to godly people and God allows it because it enhances our "street cred" with others who suffer, furthers our empathy and forces a deeper reliance on the character of Jesus and not some superficial ATM version of Jesus.

Jesus promises "I will never leave you nor forsake you." He doesn't promise a bed of roses. In fact, the lives of many Christians are just the opposite and it is often to wring the self-reliance out of us.

24 posted on 12/05/2017 7:56:34 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Let Trump Be Trump. Would you rather have Hillary?)
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To: SeekAndFind

To sum up: “My faith in God was shaken by the actions of humans. So, I decided to place my faith in humans.” And, THEY are supposed to be the rational thinkers?


25 posted on 12/05/2017 7:57:17 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: fishtank
It’s a stretch to call Willow Creek a church

..throw in Saddleback while you are at it...

26 posted on 12/05/2017 7:58:53 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: SkyShot

The fundamental problem with Willow Creek and churches like it is that they believe they should bend the church into what pleases men, instead of molding men into what pleases Christ.


27 posted on 12/05/2017 7:59:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Theodore R.
Yes, faith in God through the Lord Jesus Christ is independent of how the American people so often behave.

How "American people" so often behave?

How about just "people"?

28 posted on 12/05/2017 7:59:55 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What he wants to believe doesn’t change truth.

His faith was obviously shallow from the start.


29 posted on 12/05/2017 7:59:57 AM PST by boycott
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To: pax_et_bonum

Which is precisely what he has done. People let him down, not God, but he has turned his back on God and placed his faith in humanity. His own words.
Jesus told us we would have trouble in this world. We were never promised a world where innocent babies are never stillborn, or born completely normal. Good, faithful people are not being punished with a tragedy, nor is anyone exempt from such a tragedy. My family has personally lost eight babies to miscarriage or premature birth.
As for the man who beats his wife, he should have been disciplined and then educated by the church. And if that didn’t work, put out of the church. The failure is his, not God’s.


30 posted on 12/05/2017 8:00:09 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has never believed in God or been a follower of Christ. He has always believed he is personally the fulfillment of truth. He believes God is to be judged by the lives of those who follow Him. Willow Creek taught him this apostasy. He has not strayed from it.


31 posted on 12/05/2017 8:00:31 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Islam is Satans finest work.)
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To: gspurlock
Poor silly man never understood Christianity in the first place. God is not Santa Claus who gives you everything you pray for. He failed the test of faith and wants others to share his failure.

Well put.

32 posted on 12/05/2017 8:00:56 AM PST by jeannineinsd
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To: pax_et_bonum

/// “It would be easy to lose faith in God if it were based on faith in people.” ///

The bar to being a Christian is very low: acknowledgement that indeed you are a sinner, is part of it. The Church is composed of sinners, albeit sinners who are striving for better.

Neither I, nor any other Christians, are surprised when members go astray, sometimes in big ways. Disappointed, for sure, but never surprised.


33 posted on 12/05/2017 8:01:27 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: Lazamataz

What is it known as when someone’s actions are constantly a reaction to someone else’s actions? ... The
‘pastor’ lacked the first principle in faith: God IS.


34 posted on 12/05/2017 8:03:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Beneath the appearance and the surfaces of people’s lives there was a level of suffering and brokenness for which my theology did not touch.”

Then clearly your “theology” was a heresy and not based in any way on the true theology. “Feel Good/God Wants Me Happy” “theology” has nothing to do with true theology.

If you lost your “faith” because you witnessed bad things happening to good people, or “good” people doing bad things, then you don’t understand true Christian faith at all.


35 posted on 12/05/2017 8:03:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Boogieman

Except it’s equally disappointing because it’s the same thing doing it in either case.


36 posted on 12/05/2017 8:09:55 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, the baby did live.


37 posted on 12/05/2017 8:10:52 AM PST by Mercat
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To: SeekAndFind

A common ailment amongst clergy and Christians is the belief, drive to fix all problems, fix all people. Fix ugly situations. Peace is accepting the exercise of free will in others. In other words, in the world we are placed in you must embrace the suck. This temporal existence is short and full of uncontrollable situations. Faith is understanding you have no power or control over any circumstance. You only control yourself.


38 posted on 12/05/2017 8:11:05 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: SeekAndFind
he learned that a church staff member was beating their spouse

This pastor and that staff member were married to the same wife? How does that work?

39 posted on 12/05/2017 8:14:01 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Wiser now
I'm sorry to hear of your family's losses.

Yes, he's placed his faith in humanity. Good luck with that!

This comment of his is telling:

"Certain ways of thinking about ourselves and life and other people and these beliefs and mindsets, these narratives that have been indoctrinated into us can be very saboteurial into our journey of wanting to be at peace with ourselves and to live a life of liberation," he said.

If a person is truly trying to improve and to live as a good person, he's going to have to look directly at his imperfections and that's a hard thing to do. It would be much easier to accept one's imperfections as inevitable in order to have "inner peace" than to work at correcting them.

40 posted on 12/05/2017 8:14:23 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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