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Former Pastor Says He Lost Faith After Staff Member Beat Spouse, Faithful Mother Lost Baby
Christian Post ^ | 12/05/2017 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 12/05/2017 7:37:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: sparklite2

Sorry, but that doesn’t have a theological basis either.

Christ never EVER promised you or anyone good things in this world, he was worried about your status in the next. God has his plan, and it isn’t some giant scaled scoreboard.... Feel Good Theology, and its various derivatives are heresy.


81 posted on 12/05/2017 11:18:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: AppyPappy

I didn’t say that He’s passive-aggressive.


82 posted on 12/05/2017 12:01:02 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

That’s why it means when you say “God allowed”. You turn something he didn’t do (i.e. Intervene) into an action for which you have established blame.

Say you are driving down the road and you run off into the shoulder. Then you turn to your passenger and ask “Why did you allow me do that?”. It’s the same thing.

Instead, think of it this way: Bad things are going to happen because Satan is the ruler of this world.


83 posted on 12/05/2017 12:13:35 PM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy
Lol!

How about *you* think of it this way: God pro-actively gave each of us free will and some people choose to do evil which affects others.

Except in extreme cases, satan can't force us to do anything, but we can choose to listen to him.

Oh - and God's in my driver seat, not me. Thank goodness.

84 posted on 12/05/2017 12:30:47 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Sorry, but that doesn’t have a theological basis either.


It’s a joke, son. Reread it.


85 posted on 12/05/2017 12:52:53 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If his faith was contingent on the behavior of others, then he never had faith in Jesus to begin with.

And yes, the gospel DOES touch people at their deepest needs. But if people refuse that, it does not invalidate the message. It goes to show that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing and maybe he was preaching a false gospel instead of one that could actually help people.

But you find out where you went wrong and repent of it. You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.


86 posted on 12/05/2017 2:35:08 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s probably upset that a Father allowed his Son to die a horrible and excruciating death [on the Cross] because of what others have done.

“That’s not the way he’d do it”, I bet he would say.


87 posted on 12/05/2017 2:43:16 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: SeekAndFind
belief that there is no God and has now placed his faith in humanity.

(Snicker, Snicker!)

88 posted on 12/05/2017 3:47:33 PM PST by RedMonqey (“Better to die on your feet than living on your knees”)
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly, brother.


89 posted on 12/05/2017 4:01:10 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (I know Whom I adore: You, my dear Lord, the Crucified One.)
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To: Karliner

Jesus will lose none that the Father has given him:

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” John 6:39

And this is what happened to the Earth dweller:

“And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: “ Matthew 13:3-7


90 posted on 12/05/2017 9:11:28 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: SeekAndFind
Palmer, 53, told The Tennessean that his journey away from faith in God was triggered about 20 years ago by two devastating events. He said his faith was shaken when he learned that a church staff member was beating their spouse. It then suffered another blow when a woman encouraged by his sermons believed her unborn child diagnosed with a fatal disorder would live. The mother blamed herself when her child died soon after birth.

Bad things happening to good people has always existed. This world is not meant to be heaven. The early Christians were willing to be martyred rather than deny their faith - the first ones because they had seen the risen Christ with their OWN eyes. Our faith is in the Creator and sustainer of the universe not fellow sinful humans.

91 posted on 12/05/2017 10:30:53 PM PST by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well stated!


92 posted on 12/05/2017 10:36:10 PM PST by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: captmar-vell

That’s what I call these people now, Earth Dwellers. “ Straight from Revelation and Psalm 2...screaming at the skies, booing God in the DNC, kicking prayer and God out of schools in 1962, abortion of millions since 1974...lies and the father of lies is ramping things up because these times are festering and await His rapture.


93 posted on 12/05/2017 11:30:15 PM PST by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: Karliner

Well said,

An yeah its from the book of Revelation, the earth dwellers are those where every thing they desire, need or have is all right here on this Earth.

These humanists/atheists all believe they’re just going to die and that is the end of it, they seek death, so that when evil times come exactly as prophesied and with events even they themselves have heard was coming, they don’t know how to respond or where to turn from this black hole they created for themselves, this is why it says in Revelation Chapter 9 “and death will flee from them”


94 posted on 12/06/2017 5:28:41 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: noiseman

It’s clear you havn’t been to many WC services or, read any of Bill’s books.

“New Age practices?” Which do you refer to?
“False doctrines?” Which ones?

Your post is is a mish mash of vague generalities.

Cite specific examples - otherwise you end up sounding like MSM soundbites.

My advice is to go where you are fed.


95 posted on 12/06/2017 12:29:04 PM PST by SkyShot (Jesus is coming. Look busy!)
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To: fishtank

I tend to doubt any “church” with “community” in its name is preaching sound doctrine.


96 posted on 12/06/2017 12:57:11 PM PST by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe there is a special place in Hell for those who turn believers away from Jesus.


97 posted on 01/09/2018 12:02:47 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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