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To: metmom

Read it again! You may learn something about the authority of the Catholic Church.

Then again, some minds may be already made up and feel superior to God the Father based on their man-made religion of Sola fide and Sola Scriptura.

The Protestant idea of the “Bible alone” (sola scriptura) is, ironically, nowhere in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.

“[I]f he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 18:15-18).

“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Luke 10:16).

“[W]hen you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers” (1 Thess. 2:13).

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15).

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/sola-scriptura-is-unscriptural


466 posted on 01/16/2018 8:55:39 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
On the contrary, the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.

Show us the verses.

Show us the verses that say *Catholic church*, and *sacred tradition*.

Prove to us what the traditions are of which Paul spoke. Prove that they came directly from the apostles and that they were passed down faithfully without corruption.

God tells us in His word that Scripture provides everything we need to be complete as a man or woman of God.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

469 posted on 01/16/2018 10:30:21 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/sola-scriptura-is-unscriptural

I'm waiting for THIS link:

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/sola-scriptura-is-INSUFFICENT

478 posted on 01/16/2018 12:26:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM; metmom
The Protestant idea of the “Bible alone” (sola scriptura) is, ironically, nowhere in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.

I don't think you really want to go there with this argument.

The Marian dogmas, which are required belief by Roman Catholics, are not found anywhere in the Bible. And as noted, Rome's own Catholic Encyclopedia Online admits this about the Immaculate Conception.

Did the apostles talk about the Immaculate Conception? Nope. So this wasn't "passed down" as Rome likes to claim. It was something that came about much later.

The Mass has to be said in Latin? Nope. No Mass in Latin in the NT church. No Mass in the NT church as we see it today either for that matter.

Those two examples alone completely undermine the Roman Catholic claim to "Tradition" being equal with Scripture.

The Roman Catholic has been asked numerous times for exactly what this "Tradition" is they claim is taught in the Bible to which none so far have been able to provide.

I will also continue to note that not one of the writings that Roman Catholicism claims as "Sacred Tradition" was approved as Scripture at Trent when Rome declared its Canon. Ever wonder why? If I were a Roman Catholic that would bug me to no end.

The Bible itself testifies to why we rely upon Scripture and not Tradition.

I recommend you do a word search on "It is written" and "write". The study would do you good.

488 posted on 01/16/2018 2:24:04 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM; metmom; Elsie
“[I]f he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 18:15-18).

Ummm....something is missing in this and something has been added.

What is missing is Roman Catholic.

What has been added is putting church in capital letters...much as Rome does with things of Mary.

Not even the Douay-Rheims renders the text as you have. Only one translation does and that is the Weymouth New Testament.

493 posted on 01/16/2018 2:59:59 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.

Where?

Give us the verses.

498 posted on 01/16/2018 3:17:13 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM
the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition

Never.

and an infallible Church

Never.

that has authority to interpret Scripture

Never exclusively.

The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.

Never.

505 posted on 01/16/2018 4:49:49 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ADSUM

The Protestant idea of the “Bible alone” (sola scriptura) is, ironically, nowhere in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible speaks of an infallible Sacred Tradition and an infallible Church that has authority to interpret Scripture. The Bible even warns against sola scriptura.


Jesus constantly quoted scripture, he NEVER quoted tradition. He condemned the Pharisees for their tradition.........

What does that tell you?


508 posted on 01/16/2018 4:56:52 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: ADSUM

Two words:

Prove it.


513 posted on 01/16/2018 5:32:35 PM PST by Luircin
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