Portuguese Cardinal declares acceptance of communion for adulterously remarried couples

LifeSite News ^ | February 14, 2018 | Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

[ealgeone]

There are no scriptures without the church that put the books, etc. together and officially codified them.

Oh please. Not this pitiful Scott Hahn apologetic.

If you've resorted to this you've lost whatever argument you were trying to make.

[Jim W N]

FYI, this was my answer to Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey

Not sure what you’re talking about. The King James Bible is generally considered an authentic and accurate translation of Scripture.

As yet, no reply.

[ealgeone]

He’s trying to advance a Scott Hahn apologetic against sola scriptura. Doubtful the poster understands the term.

[Jim W N]

FYI, the Catholic Church is spoken of in Jesus’ prophetic account in Revelation Chapters Two and Three of the then future, now history over the last 2000 years, of the church.

The Catholic Church is the Church in Thyatira (Rev. 2:18-20). “Thyatira” means “continuing sacrifice”, exactly the problem with the Catholic Church - adding continual demands for sacrifice to the perfect and complete finished work of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. Jesus acknowledges and praises their works and charity which is truly abundant (Catholic Hospitals are a blessing). But he denounces the false doctrines of the Church (interestingly referring to “Jezebel” - possibly a reference to the false doctrine of the exaltation and worship of Mary).

[Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey]

Of course, you went full ad hominem, because I spoke historical fact.

The greatest weapon of the devil is despair.

Be gone.

I ain’t no wussy, Modernist Roman.

It is turning.

[Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey]

Yes.

St. Jerome was such a dolt and didn’t know what he was doing.

I don’ need no stinkin’ Scott Hahn.

[ealgeone]

Of course, you went full ad hominem, because I spoke historical fact.

Only because you attempted to equate the New Testament Church with the Roman Catholic church....there is a difference.

The greatest weapon of the devil is despair.

Sorry that you feel despair.

Be gone.

Nahh...think I'll hang around for a while.

I ain’t no wussy, Modernist Roman.

Are you a traditional Roman wussy?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Can somebody let me know the contextual reason why Jesus considered the re-marriage of divorced people to other folks a form of adultery? I am a newly Saved Christian, and I still find that particular edict puzzling. Must a man or woman be alone until his ex-spouse dies, following what might have been an acrimonious divorce that would preclude them getting back together?

[jjotto]

Compare Deuteronomy 24.

[Religion Moderator]

Your last 4 posts were all personal attacks.

Take a break from the Religion Forum for a few days.

Starting NOW.

During your time away click on my name at the bottom of this comment and study the guidelines.

You are getting real close to being suspended.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues and stay away from personal attacks.

If you want some other poster to “be gone” it is YOU that should leave.

If you cannot engage in civil conversations, the Religion Forum is no place for you.

[steve86]

Well, if the penetant had in his mind to sin, ask for forgiveness and then repeat the cycle ad infinitum, that would clearly be wrong and each confession would be a bad confession without God’s absolution being granted. But you have to acknowledge that many sins can’t be stopped immediately, especially ones that involve entrenched habit or addiction. Therefore a sincere effort to curtail the sin is asked of the penitant, knowing this might require some time.

[Zuriel]

**So you’re argument is juvenile. It’s like arguing that Moses is in Hell because he was never baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity.**

The scriptures show that in the New Testament nobody was baptized that way. In Acts, Peter, Philip, and Paul are shown baptizing in the name of Jesus. The three titles you refer to were not repeated. The disciples were not poorly taught. They were there. They knew EXACTLY what the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost was.

The name of this father, son, and husband, is not: father, son, and husband.

[af_vet_1981]

No we can't. Because marriage was defined in Genesis by God....one man...one woman.

If that isn't clear then I have to question anything else you say.

Noah was married to one wife.

18“But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. Gen 6:18 NASB

Abram (Abraham) was also married to one wife.

Jacob/Israel was married, at the same time, to two wives. Jacob was blessed. God hearkened unto Leah and Rachel, who were both blessed.

And Laban had two daughters: the name of the elder was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

Genesis, Catholic chapter twenty nine, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[af_vet_1981]

The Catholic Church is the Church in Thyatira (Rev. 2:18-20). “Thyatira” means “continuing sacrifice”, exactly the problem with the Catholic Church - adding continual demands for sacrifice to the perfect and complete finished work of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. Jesus acknowledges and praises their works and charity which is truly abundant (Catholic Hospitals are a blessing). But he denounces the false doctrines of the Church (interestingly referring to “Jezebel” - possibly a reference to the false doctrine of the exaltation and worship of Mary)

This is the wrong portion of Revelation with respect to blessed Miriam/Mary. She brought forth a man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

As for the church in Thyatira, it is a genuine church of the Messiah; it has a heavenly candlestick. The scripture does say that for any of the Protestant denominations, sects, or faith communities.

Jezebel was a woman, who called herself a prophetess, who taught and seduced God's servants in the church in Thyatira, which she ought not to have done. She, and her children, are called to repent or else ...; no once saved, always saved here, works, works, works.

And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses eighteen to twenty nine
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[Jim W N]

Well, your symbolism is a little off and it was already too late for the teachers and followers of false doctrine who Jesus called “Jezebel and her children” BECAUSE “she” brought another gospel from that of the gospel of the grace of Christ which Paul in Galatians warned by the Holy Spirit brings a double curse (Galatians 1:8-9).

Once saved, always saved is the gospel of the grace of Christ supported fully by the New Testament including Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews which spells out the New Covenant of grace, “Your sins and iniquities I remember no more” (Heb 8:12; 10:17).

[af_vet_1981]

If one carefully reads the words of the LORD Jesus Christ to the seven churches in Asia (Galatia is not mentioned), which each have a candlestick in heaven, one should notice that He employs the word “works” seven times, emphasizing works.

[ealgeone]

You’re advocating polygamy??

[rollo tomasi]

Nope, constant theme is repentance or bust.

That teaching is emphasized/accentuated by Hebrews 6:4-8. Those that tasted the "heavenly gift" and shared in the "Holy Spirit" is explicit, describing those losing their salvation for refusing to repent, just like Christ saying "Go and sin no more" but your actions telling Christ "No, but I am always saved right? Sorry, I feel like screwing another married spouse. Thanks for dying for me though".

Do you know how convoluted those that promote this pretzel-like "theology" sounds? This is never backed up by Scripture, "Go and sin no more" is, yes, it's a responsibility by the believer to employ.

Christ does not dispense cheap Grace. Everything is about repent first, hence a responsibility. Love God, treat others... those are actions that Christians are responsible for becoming/doing. Jesus says those that love Him follow His commands.

[ealgeone]

If you're going to continue to cite Hebrews in the manner you are then you have to acknowledge if you could lose your salvation......there is no getting it back.

Are you prepared to say that?