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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Before the Bible there was the Church. If Protestants don’t believe in the ONE true Church, why on earth do they use the Church’s calendar to celebrate Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter on the same dates observed by the one Church.

Looks like the early Church fathers, some of whom were disciples of St. John, were all wrong. And the thousands of martyrs, saints, and theologians of the last two millennia all got it wrong. And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.

What did they miss?


38 posted on 04/21/2018 11:34:17 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Steely, you keep recycling your same arguments that have been addressed and answered on previous threads... but let's do it again!

Before the Bible there was the Church.

False. 2/3 of the Scriptures were written before the birth of Christ, though they prophesied about Him.

If Protestants don’t believe in the ONE true Church, why on earth do they use the Church’s calendar to celebrate Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter on the same dates observed by the one Church.

History, dear Steely. We do many things because of the development of history. This is not the same as believing that Rome is the OTC. You are making a category mistake here, FRiend.

Looks like the early Church fathers, some of whom were disciples of St. John, were all wrong.

At times, they all got things wrong, since they don't all agree and not everything they wrote is agreed to by Rome. At times, even the disciples were wrong and were corrected by Christ.

And the thousands of martyrs, saints, and theologians of the last two millennia all got it wrong.

They certainly got a lot wrong!

Thankfully, God has always reserved to Himself those who believed. Dear Blessed Father Luther, for example.

And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.

Yes, we agree. See how easy that is.

Many millions/billions of people get things wrong every day of existence. Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, etc.

What did they miss?

CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE!


42 posted on 04/21/2018 11:48:25 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Steelfish
You do realize error was already in the early church? Right?

The writings of the ECFs Roman Catholics cling to so desperately to justify their false doctrines were never made a part of the canon at Trent when Roman formally proclaimed their canon.

You are aware the ECFs contradict not only themselves but the New Testament....right?

And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.

Yep.

There are 1 billion Hindus, some 800 million muslims....people are easily deceived.

93 posted on 04/21/2018 5:19:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Steelfish; aMorePerfectUnion
Before the Bible there was the Church.

Which proves nothing.

Because the SCRIPTURE that the Bible is comprised of pre-existed the Roman church.

106 posted on 04/21/2018 6:20:56 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Steelfish
Before the Bible there was the Church. If Protestants don’t believe in the ONE true Church, why on earth do they use the Church’s calendar to celebrate Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter on the same dates observed by the one Church.

Actually they should not if the the dates or celebrations are not seen in the life of the NT church, while regardless, your logic is self-defeating, since it means that since the NT church inherited some things from Judaism then they should have submitted to the magisterial power of such. Thus you invalid the NT church.

Looks like the early Church fathers, some of whom were disciples of St. John, were all wrong.

Also wrong. Name more than one so-called church "father" that can verifiably said to be a direct disciple of John, and where they clearly taught Catholic distinctives (contrary to the inspired NT record ) and why we must accept that a disciple will always reflect the teachings of their master, unless by wholly inspired words, and what writings of CFs or Roman popes were the latter? You are simply parroting specious RC polemics.

And the thousands of martyrs, saints, and theologians of the last two millennia all got it wrong. And the tens of thousands of historians, Protestant theologians, atheists, and and scientists from all other faiths from ordinary workpeople to Kings and Queens who converted to Catholicism all got it wrong.

Indeed, progressively so, if not all wrong (or necessarily all salvifically),

for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: (Matthew 7:13)

194 posted on 04/22/2018 6:18:52 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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