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1 posted on 05/17/2018 8:58:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Yes, there are still things to come with a huge focus on Israel.

Things that will shake the world. Especially the unbelieving world.


2 posted on 05/17/2018 9:02:55 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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God is not finished with Israel. Most are still in unbelief, but not always. He still blesses those who bless her and curses those who curse her as well. You see this throughout history. Every Christian should have a warm spot in their hearts for Israel - because such is the mind of Christ ultimately. Sadly, she will go through horrific times before she comes to belief. Zechariah says 2/3rds of the city of Jerusalem will be wiped out. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem!


3 posted on 05/17/2018 9:03:32 AM PDT by Blogger (The causes are the left are never about caring about an issue. ItÂ’s always about power.)
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The Future of Israel in God's Plan - resources
4 posted on 05/17/2018 9:10:38 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: SeekAndFind

The answer to the question, according to the Word of God, is NO, GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL.

Many verses could be cited, but the first that came to my mind is in Jeremiah 31:35-37.

Be sure to check the context of these verses to verify that God is speaking through Jeremiah about the New Covenant with “the house of Israel & the house of Judah” (V. 27-34). This is the ONE & ONLY New Covenant that is written in the blood and sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ—it is the Covenant of the forgiveness of sins. It is through FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

The verses:
35 Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for light by day,
And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
The LORD of hosts is His name:
36 “If this fixed order departs
From before Me,” declares the LORD,
“Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease
from being a nation before Me forever.”
37 Thus says the LORD,
“If the heavens above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
For all that they have done,” declares the LORD.


5 posted on 05/17/2018 9:20:22 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: SeekAndFind

The Jews conduct God’s Word, The Torah, Though His invention, Time. Time began when the Torah was upon the earth.


6 posted on 05/17/2018 9:26:00 AM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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No, he is definitely not finished with Israel. The old testament predicts re-gathering of Israel over and over and over. It’s a constant theme through the old testament.


7 posted on 05/17/2018 9:28:46 AM PDT by lerker
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To: SeekAndFind

True Israel is the Christian church.


8 posted on 05/17/2018 9:30:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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Israel is to the church as the caterpillar is to the butterfly.


11 posted on 05/17/2018 9:44:14 AM PDT by circlecity
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I do not understand why it is that so many people (mainly Christians) cannot themselves understand that God can have one covenant with the Jews, and another one with them (and it is really part of the same, original covenant).

First, what IS a covenant? It is, simplified, a Holy contract. It is between God and people. The people involved, being people (which is to say, very imperfect) will oftentimes violate that covenant. God, being literally the only perfect being in existence, will never break His word and will, in fact, show mercy to us mere humans in certain circumstances.

Now, since a covenant is a contract (albeit a special type of contract), how is it that ANYONE can say that God is only permitted one such contract at a time. After all, we humans oftentimes have more than one contract in operation at a time...and we’re just humans. We can have a contract with the mortgage company, the car finance company, the company for which we work, the lawn care company, the life insurance company, etc., etc. So why can’t God? I see no reason, and I defy anyone to produce actual evidence - from God, Himself - that such is impossible.

Now, assuming that God can enter into more than one contract/covenant at a time, why is it so farfetched of an idea that He could have one eternal covenant with the Jewish People (and there is very ample evidence that He not only entered into it, but that it is beyond revocation based on His words), and another with some group of non-Jews (let’s pick some group at random, say those who believe that the Jew named Jesus (in Greek) who was born in Bethlehem circa 7 B.C. to a mother named Mary (much more likely Miriam) is the Messiah). Well, there you go - two covenants for two peoples.

FWIW, I believe that it is all part of the SAME covenant - the series of promises that God made throughout the Hebrew Tanach (the Five Books of Moses). In the chapter in Genesis dealing with Noah and the Flood, God promises that anyone who followed 7 basic rules would have a place in the world to come (i.e. Heaven). There were no Jews at the time (Abraham was 10 generations after Noah), and those who are not Jews are not obligated to abide by those extra duties that Jews have - so the Noahide Laws and the covenant that goes with them are STILL OPERABLE. The advent of Christianity, as created by Paul and other followers of Jesus over time, can very easily be seen as a means to teach large numbers of non-Jews how to abide by the 7 Noahide Laws, and thereby gain a place in Heaven.

Just my $0.02 - anyone is, of course, free to disagree. But just keep in mind that God is merciful, and wants to give His children every chance to earn a place beside Him...and that because we are all different from each other, He likely gave us many ways of getting there.


12 posted on 05/17/2018 9:45:42 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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While God is not finished with the Jewish people and Jerusalem, I'm not convinced that the modern nation state of Israel is of any significance in God's final plans.

Fortunately, if my eschatology is messed up, I'm sure Jesus has that covered too.

15 posted on 05/17/2018 9:57:34 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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Is God finished with Israel? Is He done with the Jewish people as a people?

Different questions.

Who is "Israel", according to biblical usage?

26 posted on 05/17/2018 1:20:07 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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Is God finished with Israel?

Not by the longest shot. Anyone who reads Scripture has to know that Israel is in it to the finish. It's there, over and over.

30 posted on 05/17/2018 7:51:29 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus. He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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