Posted on 01/17/2020 5:27:22 AM PST by Gamecock
In his epistle to the church in Ephesus, the Apostle Paul wrote the following words, words clearly intended to be an encouragement to the believers there:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. (Eph. 1:310)
Paul is telling the Christians at Ephesus that God chose them before the foundation of the world, predestining them for adoption as sons according to the purpose of His will. Because of this, Christians have redemption through the blood of Christ. This is true not only of the Christians of Ephesus but of us as well.
In these words of Paul, we find one of the clearest statements of the doctrine of election in all of Scripture, and we find it being used by the Apostle Paul to encourage the Ephesian believers. Many Christians, however, do not find these words to be the least bit encouraging. They find them to be a source of anxiety.
Why? Why is the doctrine of election, which Paul used as a source of encouragement, a source of stress for many believers today? The answer can be found in a single question: How can I know if I am elect? If only those whom God has chosen from before the foundation of the world are redeemed, how can I know that I was chosen before the foundation of the world?
God has not placed a special physical birthmark on the elect. The elect do not have the word elect divinely tattooed behind their right ears or anywhere else. The elect are not members of a particular identifiable race or ethnic group. The elect are from every tribe and tongue and nation. But how do I know that I am one of those of whom Paul speaks, one of those who has been blessed in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places?
This is an important question and one that was dealt with at the Synod of Dort in the early seventeenth century. The Synod of Dort was an assembly of Reformed theologians called to deal with a controversy that had arisen due to the teachings of Jacob Arminius. Arminius and his followers differed with the Reformed church in the Netherlands on a number of doctrines, including the doctrine of election. The Arminians taught that faith and perseverance in the true faith are a condition prerequisite for electing.1 In other words, the Arminians taught the doctrine of conditional election. According to this idea, God foresees who will have faith and persevere in faith, and He elects those people to salvation.
The Synod of Dort rejected this doctrine, believing that it contradicted the teaching of Scripture. They taught instead a doctrine of unconditional election. This doctrine is explained in detail in the first main point of doctrine in the Canons of Dort. After explaining the context of the doctrine of election in Articles 16, Article 7 explains:
Election [or choosing] is Gods unchangeable purpose by which he did the following:
Before the foundation of the world, by sheer grace, according to the free good pleasure of his will, he chose in Christ to salvation a definite number of particular people out of the entire human race, which had fallen by its own fault from its original innocence into sin and ruin. Those chosen were neither better nor more deserving than the others, but lay with them in the common misery. He did this in Christ, whom he also appointed from eternity to be the mediator, the head of all those chosen, and the foundation of their salvation.
And so he decided to give the chosen ones to Christ to be saved, and to call and draw them effectively into Christs fellowship through his Word and Spirit. In other words, he decided to grant them true faith in Christ, to justify them, to sanctify them, and finally, after powerfully preserving them in the fellowship of his Son, to glorify them.
God did all this in order to demonstrate his mercy, to the praise of the riches of his glorious grace.
In other words, God did not choose any of us because He saw that we would believe. He chose in order that we would believe, and this was conditioned only upon the free good pleasure of his will.
So, how can I know if I am one of these who have been chosen according to the free good pleasure of his will? The canons address this question in article 12 on The Assurance of Election. This article reads as follows:
Assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election to salvation is given to the chosen in due time, though by various stages and in differing measure. Such assurance comes not by inquisitive searching into the hidden and deep things of God, but by noticing within themselves, with spiritual joy and holy delight, the unmistakable fruits of election pointed out in Gods Word such as a true faith in Christ, a childlike fear of God, a godly sorrow for their sins, a hunger and thirst for righteousness, and so on.
There are several points in this article worth noting:
So, how can I know if I am elect? By asking myself whether I have the fruits of election. In other words, by honest self-examination. If I have faith in Christ, if I am sorrowful for my sins and repenting of them, if I am cultivating the fruit of the Spirit and putting to death the deeds of the flesh, I am showing the fruits of election. Election is the invisible cause. Spiritual fruit is the visible effect. We cant see the cause, but we can observe the effect. In short, we can know we are among the elect if we and others observe the fruits of election in our lives.
If I sin, does that mean I am not elect? Because we remain in this body of death at present, we do not reach a state of sinless perfection in this life (Rom. 7), so we will always be racked with doubt if we assume that being elect means sinless perfection. The fruits of election are not sinless perfection in this life. Jesus taught His disciples to pray forgive us our sins, something He would not do if He expected them to reach sinless perfection immediately. We are to be mortifying the flesh, but when we sin, the fruit of election is godly sorrow for sin, genuine repentance. If we repent and confess our sins, He will forgive us (1 John 1:9).
If we stop trying to search into the hidden things of God and look at election in the way we are counseled to by the Synod of Dort, we can read Ephesians 1 and understand how this doctrine can be a great encouragement to us as followers of Christ. It reminds us that our salvation is, from beginning to end, all of grace. To God alone, then, be all the glory.
Ping
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
― Marcus Aurelius
If you have to read this article, then you’re not.
Thanks Game —
I’m reminded of some of the Ligonier Q&As where RC Sproul entertained the same question — to paraphrase, he said, “Let me ask you a question: do you love The Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength? If you’re honest, the answer is ‘no.’ Well, do you love The Lord ‘a lot’? Do you love him ‘some’? No? Do you have the least little bit of love for The Lord? If you do, then you can have some comfort — without the inworking of the Holy Spirit to change our hearts, we CANNOT love The Lord AT ALL.”
That has always helped me when I’ve struggled with sin and question things.
Hoss
Its a paradox of Faith. If you believe you are, then you are. The reason you believe it is because its true. He did that for you which is why its called Grace.
“Summary. Concerning election and predestination, we might use the analogy of a great ship on its way to heaven. The ship (the church) is chosen by God to be his very own vessel. Christ is the Captain and Pilot of this ship. All who desire to be a part of this elect ship and its Captain can do so through a living faith in Christ, by which they come on board the ship. As long as they are on the ship, in company with the ships Captain, they are among the elect. If they choose to abandon the ship and Captain, they cease to be part of the elect. Election is always only in union with the Captain and his ship. Predestination tells us about the ships destination and what God has prepared for those remaining on it. God invites everyone to come aboard the elect ship through faith in Jesus Christ. [Life in the Spirit Study Bible, pp. 1854-1855]”
“Drawing this to a conclusion, let me focus what I see as Pauls reasoning in the latter part of Romans 10. Paul, quoting Isaiah who is speaking for God, laments the failure of Israelites to believe in spite of the clear preaching of the message (10:16-21). Why does God appear to express frustration over the Jews failure to accept the message if he very well knows that he did not elect them to salvation? Rather he calls them a disobedient and obstinate people (10:21; NIV). By the way, this resembles Jesus lament over Jerusalem when he says, How often I have longed to gather your children as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing (Matt 23:37; NIV, emphasis added).
Schreiner believes I am imposing western logic here in raising this objection. But that facile dismissal of the sense of the text works only if an interpreter starts by assuming a Calvinist viewpoint. I contend that a face-value reading of the text leads me to conclude that God has not predetermined which individuals will be saved. God may, in fact, want everyone to be saved, as several N.T. texts clearly imply (e.g., 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Jn 3:16), and the logic of this could well affirm that the application of salvation then depends upon each individuals decision to believe or reject Gods provision. The ultimate explanation why not all are saved may then lie in their failure to believe, not in Gods mysterious decision not to elect those he loves and desires to be saved.”
http://evangelicalarminians.org/william-w-klein-is-corporate-election-merely-virtual-election/
Look to the life of David. He sent a man into battle to be killed to take his wife. He did a number of things that were terrible. In his early days he essentially ran a motorcycle gang of shakedown artists and stole the wife of one of his reluctant patrons. These are just two the Bible tells us about. Its like David had a bad habit when it comes to other mens wives. These are just a few of his many character defects and yet God, in his infinite wisdom, chose David for his incredibly important role in history and shower4ed him with Blessings none of which were deserved. Remember God chooses His for His reasons, not ours. Just be happy God let you off with an easy task, if its true. If He didnt rejoice, He picked you.
Presumption is a dangerous sin that leads to all other grave sins and conditions. Endurance in the faith is what is required to gain the Crown. No Cross, no Crown.
Live a good life.”
The Bible teaches God is holy, unlike the gods of the Romans. It teaches that ALL have sinned, and ALL - including Marcus Aurelius - need a savior to rescue them. In short, it teaches that NO ONE “lives a good life” by the standards of God.
“There is no condemnation now for those who live in union with Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit, which brings us life in union with Christ Jesus, has set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did....
Those who live as their human nature tells them to, have their minds controlled by what human nature wants. Those who live as the Spirit tells them to, have their minds controlled by what the Spirit wants. 6 To be controlled by human nature results in death; to be controlled by the Spirit results in life and peace. 7 And so people become enemies of God when they are controlled by their human nature; for they do not obey God’s law, and in fact they cannot obey it. 8 Those who obey their human nature cannot please God.
9 But you do not live as your human nature tells you to; instead, you live as the Spirit tells you toif, in fact, God’s Spirit lives in you.” - Romans 8
If you’re worried about it, you probably are one of the elect.
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Marcus Aurelius - great Stoic.
i wonder what would have happened if he hadn’t handed the reigns to Commodus?
The Roman Empire was in any case at the limits of its power - it was too much a slave based economy
So, I keep working on my faults and don't spend much time trying to convince my pride that "I'm good enough".
The slavery was a symptom, rather than the cause of the decay.
In any society, as it ages, those of hereditary wealth incessantly strive to create a system where their positions are secure, at the expense of "non-insiders".
Common people of ability, seeing paths to success increasingly blocked, look for where they can go where their abilities may be rewarded. Talented Egyptians, stifled by their society, had the option of moving to the emerging Greek societies. Greeks could move to the young Roman republic. Romans sought their fortunes on the frontiers, like Britain. Europeans sought their fortunes in the young United States.
What human society in the 21st century is someplace to go, away from the regulations of the rent-seekers. Perhaps the asteroid belt may hold some promise...
Predestination is the outcome of God’s foreknowledge and man’s freewill.
If God did not choose at his great pleasure, NONE would go to heaven.
Let me repeat that,
If God did not choose at his great pleasure, NONE would go to heaven.
Can I with my “free will” chose to be a part of your family and receive part of your inheritance? Can I make that happen? You know the answer.
Again for all, let get to the heart of the matter:
THAT’S NOT FAIR!
ELECTION BY GOD IS NOT FAIR!
I am the one who should get to chose.
So what is fair? by what standard is something fair? It is not fair when it doesn’t go my way according to human standards.
I am not sure God would understand the concept of “fair” He is God. He is JUST not fair. We are guilty.
However, I see no biblical evidence for Calvins deterministic beliefs. Calvin read those beliefs into the Bible, rather than letting the Bible teach him what to believe.
Again, we object to the idea because “THAT’S NOT FAIR”.
If Isiah Gods prophet, who stand before God and says, “I am a man of unclean lips.” or in my vernacular, “I got nothing, Lord” Did Isiah of his free will choose God?
What can you bring to the table to bargain with? Free will?
Ok, seriousness on. and I’m going to try to do this without references to any denominations pov but to people’s pov
Mr Roger’s pov seems biblically accurate - I mean, don’t we say “God so loved the world” in John 3:16.
I was going to say the predestination pov fits the Jewish pov, but then it doesn’t - the Jewish view is based on works.
Isn’t the predestination idea more a fatalistic one though? Like karma - you were predestined to be saved or not to be, so why bother?
At least in a hindu karmic concept, you might be damned to be a shudra in this life, but you can get to a better “level” in the next life.
If you have predestination and only one life, it is that you are pre-damned, isn’t it?
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