Posted on 04/14/2021 12:53:32 AM PDT by Cronos
hat Jesus said in KJV from John 6:5. Those in brackets are inferences from the text
5. Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
10. Make the men sit down
(11. Thanks to God. Distribute the bread and fishes)
12. Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
20. It is I; be not afraid.
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26. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
29. This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent
32. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
35. I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
43. Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
53. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
61. Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not.
65. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
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This is the work of God - that you believe Him who He has sent.
God, My Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is HE which cometh down from heaven and giveth life unto the world.
I am the bread of life
Ye also have seen me and believe not
I cam down from heaven to do the will of Him that sent me.
I am that bread of life.
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever;
and the bread that I will give is my flesh
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.\
For my flesh is meat indeed
He that eateth my flesh dwelleth in me
he that eateth me, even he shall live by me
Perhaps, thinking before you write...
I pasted your words, exactly as you typed them.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them (to) me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one.
Aside from the fact that the sanhedrin high priest heard Jesus agree He IS God and rent his garment meaning the death penalty for claiming to be God, you can read the words of Jesus Himself saying He and The Father are one. The high priest didn't even hear Jesu as given in John 14 telling His disciples that He and The Fther are One, as in 'if you have seen me you have seen the Father.'
I realize however, that cults explain 'one' by dismissing the meaning to Jews, who have the god-given meaning of one as two personages exhibiting the God-ness, like two perspectives of the same crystal vase. The Jews have the 'Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is One'. And these Jes had the naming of Messiah given to them so many lifetimes before He was born, as God With Us, Immanuel.
In Hebrew it takes three to make a plural, and Jesus was referring His Jewish listeners to the Oneness of He and The Father. So why do cults purposely misconstrue the words spoken by Jesus and iterated by John? The cults are directed by demonic brilliance, and just as satan made room for his deception by telling Eve 'the Lord knows you will become as god, knowing good from bad', the cults lead away from truth into the morass of confusion; just like joe smith accomplished with adherents to mormonism. Just as the Roman rulers have done with catholicism. Just as Seventh Day Adventists do millerism cum Ellen White fantasy.
Mormonism is not Christ ianity; catholicism we see today is not Christ ianity; Millerism turned SDA is not Christ ianity. Paul pointed to the 'other religions' that he saw coming for Paul was keen to recognize the work of satan.
You are confused. The ones who left departed BEFORE Jesus clarified the lesson. Typical topsey turvey twisting of the srcriptures your assertion. Similar to how you dealt with John 10:27-30. Sadly, it is apparent that you believe your own miss-interpretations and denials of truth.
These are your words.
“The followers who left knew the God of Messiah would not contradict himself and they could only see the carnal meaning”
Again, they took Christ’s words to mean exactly what he said, which is exactly what he meant. So, they left Him.
You believe them to be justified in leaving. Even though, Christ said these things.
“ Sort of like this comment: I’ve chosen Christ. The real eternal Christ who was always God. You don’t see the problem with that statement? Christ NEVER claimed to be God the Father. He claimed to be His son. You just happen to be as confused as all the rest of Christians in general.”
You’re in a cult with a created Christ who cannot save.
Your choice
On the one hand they left because they knew God is not duplicitous but they could only hear the carnal meaning. Catholicism hears the words, and without spiritual eyes see only the carnal, yet the Catholicism error is compounded because Catholicism takes the carnal and lifts it to define a god who is duplicitous in His commands.
Because you too lack spiritual sight you cannot even see the meaning of what I have just written. Do you realize that His remaining disciples even asked Him why He spoke to the people in parables, and His answer?
The Bread of Life discourse ended, the ones who followed Him no more had left, THEN Jesus explained the teaching and even Peter 'got it', saying Jesus has the words of life, not the flesh to nibble on or the blood to sip, THE WORDS OF LIFE.
That is incorrect, brother. I won’t call you dull or stupid, though as that is not in Christ’s spirit.
The many Disciples left after he explained His “spirit”. But, the Disciples, still left.
King James version...you don’t have to believe my assertion, simply read the Word of God. A few verses only...
“60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
**63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
*****66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Jesus separated goats out from the sheep. To those who walked away what was hard saying was what seemed like contradicition, on the one hand the carnal cannibalism and on the other the spirit gives life, the flesh profits nothing. Those that walked no more with Him were blind to the ONLY spiritual message. Jesus used a form of sarcasm to separate out the goats, leaving eleven sheep and one devil.
Yes. The Disciples left after the clarification and the 12 stayed with Jesus.
But, the fact that the Disciples left after he explained, proves that his meaning of “eat my flesh”, remained. Otherwise they had no reason to leave as they were already Disciples of Jesus.
Part of the Miracle of Christ is that God transforms his Love for us, by bringing God to the flesh. Our God is not only of the spirit. He brings the Divine to earthly flesh. He can do anything he chooses to do. The unspeakable, the unbelievable, the impossible. As he brought God to the flesh, sacrificed him for our sins, for all the world to be saved through his Resurrection.
May Jesus open our eyes as he made the blind see. Thank you, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Just before his Ascension, our Lord told his apostles, “Go, therefore, and
make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and
of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have
commanded you” (Matt. 28:19–20).
If we want to observe all that Jesus commanded, if we want to believe all he taught, we must follow him through his Church. This is our great
challenge—and our great privilege.
The Eucharist: Eternal Life Incarnate
Just before he went to the cross, Jesus instituted the Eucharist—a name derived from the Greek word for thanksgiving (eucharistia).
In this sacrament, a priest takes bread and wine and—by God’s miraculous power—they are transformed into Christ’s body, blood, soul, and divinity, according to the words of Jesus himself. St. Paul explains,
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
In the same way also the chalice, after supper, saying, “This chalice is the new covenant in
my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me” (1 Cor. 11:23– 25; cf. 10:16).
“This is my body. . . . This is my blood.” Those are bold words, and when Jesus first announced the Eucharist, people found it hard to accept. But Jesus was adamant:
Jesus was willing to lose disciples if they did not accept this teaching (John 6:66)
No. The passage you quoted doesn't say to "follow Christ through his Church". You added that.
Just before he went to the cross, Jesus instituted the Eucharist—a name derived from the Greek word for thanksgiving
He instituted the Lord's Supper, to do in memory.
In this sacrament, a priest
No. Never a Christian priest as a class of church office in the NT. Ever. All believers are priests.
“This is my body. . . . This is my blood.”
Figurative.
Jesus was willing to lose disciples if they did not accept this teaching
People left for a variety of reasons as Christ explained. Nor were all "disciples" believers. Many wanted free food. When it ended they left. Some Jews were offended by the talk about eating blood and did not understand it was a figure of speech.
That's strange, for the first set of Scriptures in your quad states:
John 10:32Perhaps the Jews were just confounded.31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.
32 But Jesus responded, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?"
33 "We are not stoning You for any good work," said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."
Just wave him away.
Quite probably; but he gets the chance to fill young heads with mush (if they can stay awake while he drones on and on.)
You quite possibly got this Idea from reading the Book of Mormon.
Later teachings that GOD revealed to Joseph Smith Jr. was quite different.
Trinity: found in the Book of MORMON ----------- rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29) ...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44) ...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21) ...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7) ...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5) ...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8) According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32) And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20) Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)
"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)
"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that
“a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a
visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and
that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my
church and the powers of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).
This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away
from him. His Church will survive until his return.
The Catholic Church is the only universal Christian Church that has
existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian group is an offshoot of
the Catholic Church.
Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops,
“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke
10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13).
We can have confidence that his Church teaches the truth of Christ.
The Structure of the Church
Jesus chose the apostles to be the earthly leaders of the Church. He gave
them his own authority to teach and to govern—not as dictators but a loving
pastors and fathers. That is why Catholics call their spiritual leaders
“father.” In doing so we follow Paul’s example: “I became your father in
Jesus Christ through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:15).
The apostles, fulfilling Jesus’ will, ordained bishops, priests, and deacons
and thus handed on their apostolic ministry to them—the fullest degree of
ordination to the bishops, lesser degrees to the priests and deacons.
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
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