The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[Fury]

Practically every Jew on the planet starts thinking of the promised land and begins literally swarming there and have been moving there for years now and you can't see the hand of God in it though Scripture proclaims it. We have a word for it - it's called spiritual blindness.

Again, please cite your source or is this conjecture? Immigration to Israel is not breaking any records. I wish it were, as that is where God's chosen people are eventually to all be.

[Fury]

With "catholic" used as an adjective, not as a proper noun.

Do you base that on the fact that the Greek is not capitalized? Hint - It's a trick question! :) LOL...

[ksen]

Too easy. Let me ask you something, do we translate the Bible into Klingon so that we can talk about finding Captain Kirk in the Bible as a fluff piece? Do we allow people to say that obedience isn't necessary in the translation and that only love matters? Love does matter; but if love mattered and obedience were automatic, then the word obey would not be needed - ever. It's there for a reason - that not being authoritarianism; but, rather as an informative that we cannot merely do as we wish but have to do that which God requires. And what God requires is that when his spirit speaks, we hear and respond - by the minute, by the hour, by the day. We are soldiers advancing on a spiritual battlefield. The battle doesn't get won by us being all cozy together, it get's won by obedience and work. Love may make it easier; but, it by no means makes it automatic. Not anymore than children will simply obey because they say they love you.

We had an evangelist in once, Dr. Bill Rice, Jr. He preached a good message about obedience and what God expects. God expects us to obey Him even if we don’t understand why. Dr. Rice made the case that as we obey, as we are obedient, our inner wants and desires will be conformed to what God wants in us, but first and foremost God wants us to obey Him. Does that make any sense?

I love hugs and kisses from my kids, but when I tell them to pick up their room I expect them to pick up their room, not to stall by showering me with hugs and kisses.

-Kevin

[Fury]

Gotta keep them flames of propaganda burning, don't they LOL.

And your point is? I thought so :)

[ksen]

If she[Mary] has any rulership it is only that her will is in perfect alignment with God's. Which is also the case of the other saints in Heaven.

Does that mean we can call any saint King or Queen? How about King Paul, King Barnabas, Queen Martha, etc.?

-Kevin

[Havoc]

Before this story came to light, I bet they would of kicked that priest out for saying that, there will be MAJOR spin control on this, but it won't work this time, too many hands in the cookie jar got caught. its pee pee wacking time. :)

LOL. I loved the point that was made about the church sending priests off to secular counseling. Really shows the level to which the church is bankrupt of spiritual answers. When the power of God doesn't work to keep priests out of sin, there must be some other power working - especially when it is said to be upwards of 50% of the church.

[Iowegian]

What was really interesting was your post on another thread complaining because your threads were moved to the "ghetto" of the religion forum. It's because of cry-babies like yourself constantly whining about being "bashed" that caused JR to set up a seperate forum for religion in the first place. He got tired of listening to you guys constantly whining and asking for posts to be pulled and posters to be banned, so he moved it all over here and told us to figure it out and police ourselves so he wouldn't have to deal with it any more.

[ksen]

We've tried things the "spirit of Vaitcan II" way and they have given us empty Churches, dis-belief in key elements of the faith, and sexual scandal. It is time for a restoration and people like me will be glad when it occurs. Yes, things will get worse. Yes, things will look bleak. Yes, the numbers of "Catholics" will fall.

Wasn't Vatican II one of those infallible councils? If so, then how can this be? How could something that makes infallible pronouncements about Faith and Morals produce such Faith withering and Immoral fruits as we are seeing today?

-Kevin

[ksen]

Me: What is the best way for a child to show that he loves his parents?

Mack: When you scream "Frog" at them, and when they jump they ask how high on the way up. :)

Heh, heh, yeah, that's in the spirit of the answer I was looking for. ;^)

-Kevin

[ksen]

I just have a problem when people use the Bible as a guide to foreign affairs.

So what would it be alright to use our Bibles for? Should we just keep it hidden in our churches and in our houses. Does it not have any practical use for us in the situations we face today?

-Kevin

[Havoc]

Another thing, I wonder when the S**t will hit the fan in Europe?

Are you kidding - Europe is the heart of the problem. They're all "enlightened" over there. Don't you know that's why the liberals love Europe so much.

[father_elijah]

Your post is such a sad misuse of your zeal for the Lord Jesus Christ. You cannot see how obedience flowers from Love for Jesus Christ because you allow your emotions against the Holy Catholic Church to up-end all of your faculties. As your post exposes your heart with regard to the Catholic faith, I will pray for your healing and deliverance from that spirit of rage which corrupts the gift of righteous anger into fury against Christ's Holy Catholic Church. By the wounds of the divine Saviour Christ the Lord, may you be healed in body, mind, and spirit.

[malakhi]

group hug - but keep your mitts off my butt this time

LOL!

[malakhi]

Do you base that on the fact that the Greek is not capitalized? Hint - It's a trick question! :) LOL...

No, I base it on the fact that most Catholics acknowledge that the use in this instance is adjectival. See my #2273, which is a repost of something Dr. Brian Kopp posted to me.

[malakhi]

Wasn't Vatican II one of those infallible councils?

Liberals in the church invoke "the spirit of Vatican II" in much the same manner as liberals in politics invoke the constitution as a "living document". I.E., they make it mean whatever they want it to mean.

[father_elijah]

The title of Queen for the Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ is by virtue of Christ being the rightful Davidic King and His mother rightfully fulfilling the office of Queen Mother. In reviewing the office of the Queen Mother in the House of David, you will find how petitions are brought to her to bring to the attention of the king. The Queen Mother's presence is a sign of the fulness of the Davidic kingdom and its continuity and her office a legitimate means by which to address the king and seek his favor. So it is with the Blessed Mother of Jesus who by right holds the Davidic office of Queen Mother and by her glorious Assumption into heaven takes her righful place beside her son Christ the King of all that is and all that will ever be.

[ksen]

I am not comfortable saying "Israel has a right to the land cause God gave it to 'em." I may believe it is true, but I don't think that's a valid basis for a foreign policy.

So if God giving Israel the land is not good enough for you, then what would be?

-Kevin

[JohnnyM]

"The title of Queen for the Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ is by virtue of Christ being the rightful Davidic King and His mother rightfully fulfilling the office of Queen Mother. In reviewing the office of the Queen Mother in the House of David, you will find how petitions are brought to her to bring to the attention of the king. The Queen Mother's presence is a sign of the fulness of the Davidic kingdom and its continuity and her office a legitimate means by which to address the king and seek his favor. So it is with the Blessed Mother of Jesus who by right holds the Davidic office of Queen Mother and by her glorious Assumption into heaven takes her righful place beside her son Christ the King of all that is and all that will ever be."

Scripture please???

JM