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To: father_elijah
Sorry. No sale. The statistical numbers on the appearance of "obey" and "obedience" in a concordance do not alter the extraordinary value of the New Covenant and Jesus teaching of the new commandment of "love" together with the revelation that God is Love. The Holy Spirit who leads the Church into all Truth has made it abundantly clear for the Church that Christ Jesus brought the Good News of God's Love written in His own Blood. Love is not defined so much by scripture as it is defined by Christ's death on the cross to save you and me.

Scuse me; but, it isn't about how many times the word shows up. It's about what each of those individual references has to say on the topic. Which pretty much obliterates the notion that it's all about love and then we can do whatever we please. You aren't a hippy by chance are you?

2,182 posted on 04/08/2002 8:17:02 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc; DouglasKC; american_colleen
Oh you do make me laugh! Thank you!

No, never a hippie!

Which pretty much obliterates the notion that it's all about love and then we can do whatever we please.

It is all about love, Havoc. Every bit of it -- from creation right the way through to the last verses of Revelation. Christian love is never about people doing whatever they please. Love is a very different motivation than obedience. But this is one of those points that are very difficult for Catholics and Calvinists to discuss or perhaps Catholics and Bible-only Christians. Obedience alone as a motivation for following Christ is not the fullness of the Gospel or of our faith in Christ. Loving Jesus is the motivation for following him and walking in his Spirit. Obedience is what is required of a slave or even of a young child. But Love is what unites and moves friends who walk together on the Way that is Jesus Christ himself.

2,187 posted on 04/08/2002 8:27:01 PM PDT by father_elijah
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To: Havoc; father_elijah; DouglasKC
father_elijah: Sorry. No sale. The statistical numbers on the appearance of "obey" and "obedience" in a concordance do not alter the extraordinary value of the New Covenant and Jesus teaching of the new commandment of "love" together with the revelation that God is Love. The Holy Spirit who leads the Church into all Truth has made it abundantly clear for the Church that Christ Jesus brought the Good News of God's Love written in His own Blood. Love is not defined so much by scripture as it is defined by Christ's death on the cross to save you and me.

Havoc: Scuse me; but, it isn't about how many times the word shows up. It's about what each of those individual references has to say on the topic. Which pretty much obliterates the notion that it's all about love and then we can do whatever we please. You aren't a hippy by chance are you?

If I may interject, it seems to me that the concern expressed by Havoc and DouglasKC is that your emphasis on love rather than obedience has the tenor of antinomianism. Since I'm sure this is not how you would like to be understood, perhaps you would like to clarify your remarks?

2,205 posted on 04/08/2002 9:29:46 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Havoc
You aren't a hippy by chance are you?

There you start in with the derogatory comments when someone brings up points that you cannot adequately refute.

Please, stick to the matter at hand, OK? Thank you!

2,259 posted on 04/09/2002 7:33:13 AM PDT by Fury
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