Posted on 04/13/2002 7:13:03 AM PDT by NYer
Ahem. Why do you purposefully lie? When we pray the Our Father during Mass, it sure as hell isn't to the Pope.
ONE single way -- the blood of Jesus Christ, with ALL prayers to be directed IN HIS NAME ONLY.
Exurge Domine, Dated on the 15th day of June, 1520
"He has sullied marriage, disparaged confession, and denied the body and blood of our Lord. He makes the sacraments depend on the faith of the recipient. He is pagan in his denial of free will. This devil in the habit of a monk has brought together ancient errors into one stinking puddle and has invented new ones. He denies the power of the keys and encourages the laity to wash their hands in the blood of the clergy. His teaching makes for rebellion, division, war, murder, robbery, arson, and the collapse of Christendom. He lives the life of a beast. He has burned the decretals. He despises alike the ban and the sword. He does more harm to the civil than to the ecclesiastical power. We have labored with him, but he recognizes only the authority of Scripture, which he interprets in his own sense. We have given him twenty-one days, dating from April the 25th. We have now gathered the estates. Luther is to be regarded as a convicted heretic. When the time is up, no one is to harbor him. His followers also are to be condemned. His books are to be eradicated from the memory of man."
Edict of Worms
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Just for the record.
So true!
I disagree. In my small Catholic Church this last Easter we had MORE people accepted (baptized, confirmed) into the Catholic Church than ever before!
You see, it is a matter of each person's heart, not what the bishops are doing.
Among Protestants there is debate whether the term metanoeo means to change one's mind or to change one's actions.The Catholic notion of doing penance is this performance of deeds worthy of their repentance. The Douay-Rheims translation of the Vulgate uses "do penance" where the KJV says "repent." To say "do penance" suggests that the repentance and the deeds worthy of that repentance are both required. Are we headed for the old faith/works debate here? ;o)
--drstevejWherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent (metanoein) and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
--Acts 26:19-20</b
"Do Pennance" is not in the range of meaning for the terms Matthew and Esekiel used.In Ezekiel 18:30, the "repent and turn" in the KJV is, in the Septuagint, epistraphete kai apostrepsate which according to the Liddell/Scott Greek-English Lexicon, is to turn about or turn around and turn back. These words imply a change of action (doing penance) along with a change of heart. This fits nicely with St. Paul's remarks quoted above.
drstevej
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness. Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness.
[21] For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of successsion to St. Peter, their whole hiearchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily percieve that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen empire.
[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.
Christ told one thief in Matthew 23:43 "And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise." Yet in John 20:17 Christ tells Mary Magdalene after the Resurrection "Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God." So if He had not yet ascended to the Father, where was paradise?
We know that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek. In the Old Testament the word Sheol refers to the underworld where the dead dwelt in darkness, but Sheol is not hell. In the New Testament the word Hades refers to the underworld, but Hades is not hell. Hades is distinct from Gehenna, which is the abode of condemned souls, the lake of fire, hell. The Apocalypse teaches that in the end, death and hades are thrown into hell(gehenna). Purgatory exists between the particular and general judgments.
While it is true that the word purgatory does not exist in Scripture, neither do the words Trinity, Incarnation or Bible. Are those doctrines rejected as well? Orthodox Jews recite a prayer known as the Mourner's Kaddish for 11 months following the death of a loved one for purification and did so in the Old Testament. Purgatory doesn't square with the subjective invention known as Sola Fide and that's why the reformers rejected the Latin purgatorium and Machabees.
John the Baptist: "Repent."
On another note:
You may want to check the EXACT words of the priest during absolution. The priestly power to forgive sins is comes through the power of Christ's Death and Resurrection.
Check it out for yourself.
I do not mean this glibly, but how does the saying of a number of Hail Mary's relate to deeds worthy of repentance? I can see making restitution for theft, offering and apology to someone offended, etc. but ritual acts somehow do not fit in the same category.
I'll take Sola Fide and you can have Purgatory.
2 Peter 3:15-16 " And account the long suffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction."
1 Timothy 3:15 "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."
Think through the implications of these verses in light of your post.
Titles include: Landings,
Catholics Can Come Home Again,
Journeys,
Welcome Home, Catholics.
And there are many others. Check out the other side of the coin -- or are you so steeped in your unbelief that you are not open to the truth?
From the Catholic almanac:
Anathema: A Greek word with the root meaning of cursed or separated and the adapted meaning of excommunication, used in church documents, especially the canons of ecumenical councils, for the condemnation of heretical doctrines and of practices opposed to proper discipline.
I was merely quoting 'tiki' as I am quoting you right now.
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