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Re 191 Amen! And to hear the calvinists tell how many christians aren't truly christians, then one would have this god laughing at those who don't make it due to his preselection program and then laughing at the ones who thought they made it but were allowed to be deceived on that subject.
Sorta like the common jews in the holocaust camps and the collaborator jews. The collaborators thought they'd bought a little respect when all along their gold fillings and bodies were due to be scraped from the ovens as well. All along Dr Mengele is laughing at all of them.

It is only polite when gossiping to include the object of your gossip in a flag so they can respond to the lie..not nice X to compare us to nazis

Its a discredit to anyone when they must stoop to ad hominem attacks to try to win a debate. I've said this to my fellow Calvinists, and I'll say it to the Arminians. Isnt there an old joke that the first side to compare the other to the Nazis is losing the argument?

Argue the logic and the scripture, if you can. "Fight like a man, Scriptures in hand," to quote a popular Christian ska-rap group.

If you cannot rebut the arguments, then dont shout louder or more shrilly. Re-evaluate your positions. You could be wrong. I know I was, when I locked horns with the_doc.