"Define human nature."
Well, since you had not bothered to define it and since you had blindly applied it to the natural tendency to lie/cheat/steal..., I identified 'human' nature as our 'sinful nature'. At our regeneration, our 'sinful' (human) nature is 'put off':
Ephesians 4:22-24
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Romans 7:5,6
For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Romans 7:17-25
As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 8:5
Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.
Romans 8:7-9
the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come.
So, what is ~your~ definition of human nature?
Attention Lurkers: Here we have a discussion between HumanaeVitae and myself regarding 'Human' nature. I want you to notice that Mr. Vitae has no desire to quote from Scripture. In fact, I and some others have been ridiculed by him for doing so. Rather, Mr. Vitae wishes to persuade my and other's opinions regarding the Truth of Scripture by refering to the authority of secular Philosophers such as the ancient Greek philospher Aristotle. I will let the lurker decide the wisdom of such an strategy.
Jean
What I am trying to demonstrate is that predestination, the foolish and well-refuted doctrine under contention, is completely falsifiable by reason. Something God gave us. I don't need Scripture. And if Scripture is so clear why are there 27,000 flavors of Protestants.
I appeal to secular philosophy because your version of determinism (predestination) has so many holes in it that it's simply the easiest way to go.
By the way, asking you to define human nature was purely rhetorical. But of course you've got your NKJV quotes all lined up, just like RNMom.
Finally, in regards to philosophy--if you're going to talk about determinism, you better realize you're outside the bounds of theology.
Attn Lurkers: Note this poster's imperviousness to logic, and his/her disdain therof. If you are as well impervious to logic, please turn off your CPU and continue communicating in a series of grunts and clicks.