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To: Jean Chauvin; All
Now, if you can show me from Scripture where I can find reference specifically to this 1000 year reign, I will take a look.

I am truly puzzled as to why you ask for this reference when it is contained twice in the very chapter under discussion.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection : on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,...

Clearly this comes before the Great White throne judgement of Rev 20:11-15 You really have to at least exegete the whole of chapter 20 in context to ellucidate your position.

Then you can go on and explain for example, how the prophesy of Zechariah 14:16-21 fits with your view.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

38 posted on 08/28/2002 11:53:22 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Fithal the Wise; CCWoody
"I am truly puzzled as to why you ask for this reference when it is contained twice in the very chapter under discussion."

Yes, Rev 20 makes reference to a '1000' year reign (actually two of them). But it never mentions that this takes place on earth after Christ's 2nd Coming and before He ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth (the specific context of my question). (In fact, it never specifically mentions his presense on Earth at all -perhaps in vs 11 and after, but that, again, is an inference.)

You see, this Pre-Millennial teaching is said to be 'clear' and to be a 'literal' interpretation of Rev 20. The words of Rev. 20 simply say absolutley nothing at all about Christ being on earth and ruling over Israel for 1000 years ~after~ his 2nd Coming and ~before~ he ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth. I, no doubt, see the '1000' years. What I'm having trouble doing is connecting the '1000' years to an earthly reign of Christ which takes place ~after~ the 2nd Coming and ~before~ He ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Yes, '1000' years is mentioned in Rev. 20, but narry a word explaining that this is after the 2nd Coming and before the New Heavens and New Earth. Rev 20 doesn't specify. No NT writer specifies this. Even 2 Peter 3, which makes specific and explicit mention of the events of Christ's 2nd Coming and His ushering in of the New Heavens and the New Earth, fails to mention a 1000 year earthly reign of Christ in between. Did he forget?

As to your Zecharia passage. No mention of this being a time of 1000 years. No mention that this 'time' comes after Christ's 2nd Coming and before He ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

I'm looking for explicit and specific mention in Scripture that there will be a time of 1000 years in which Christ will reign over the nation of Israel after his 2nd Coming and before He ushers in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Both passages say nothing of the sort.

Jean

39 posted on 08/28/2002 1:01:38 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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To: Jean Chauvin; Fithal the Wise
Satan is bound? Sure doesn't look like it.

It doesn't look like he's bound in terms of evil behavior. Nor does it look like he's bound in terms of the gospel being spread without opposition. Nor does it look like he's bound in terms of people's minds being open and unblinded.

Or are you now telling me that their minds are not blinded?

You're telling me that this world in which we live now IS the millenial reign mentioned in scripture? Huh? Where is the place where 100 years old is considered young? Where are the lambs and lions playing together? Where is the lack of war?

But, of course.....we need to SPIRITUALIZE everything. That'll be fun. Then we can spiritualize the Angels words to Mary. Since he won't have to sit on a literal throne, then she won't have to be a literal virgin, he won't have to have the name Jesus, he won't have to be a descendant of David, and he won't have to really be the Son of God. It'll all be swell. Maybe we can just mix and match: literal here, spiritual there; spiritual here, literal there. Lit, lit, spir, lit spir. We can do permutations and combinations.

Luke 1:30 Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end."

41 posted on 08/28/2002 1:40:57 PM PDT by xzins
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