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No-Kneeling Rule Sparks
Widespread Outcry
National Catholic Register ^
| Sept. 29-Oct. 5, 2002
| JOHN BURGER
Posted on 10/08/2002 4:00:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: sinkspur
I'm all for options, as long the Novus Ordo remains the normative Mass. 14 posted on 10/8/02 6:21 PM Pacific by sinkspur
Do you know what 'normative' means? In this use, it means prevalent or most widely attended. If people choose to attend other approved forms of the Mass and you can still choose to attend a Novus Mass, does it really matter if it is normative?
If you answer in the affirmative, why do you feel so?
Sursum Corda
To: Sursum Corda
If people choose to attend other approved forms of the Mass and you can still choose to attend a Novus Mass, does it really matter if it is normative.Yes. The Novus Ordo has been normative for over 30 years.
Does it matter to you if the Novus Ordo is normative?
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posted on
10/08/2002 7:13:14 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: Sursum Corda
Actually, in this use "normative" means the Mass that has been sanctioned by Rome as the Mass to celebrated on all but the most extraordinary conditions.
The Tridentine Liturgy is permitted, with the permission of the local bishop. The bishop should be generous in granting permission.
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posted on
10/08/2002 7:16:20 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: sockmonkey
My parish uses kneeling at the Communion rail and it's not Anglican use.
To: Flying Circus
ping
To: sinkspur
You did not answer my question about why it matters to you if the Novus Ordo is normative, as long as you can still attend that form of Mass.
FWIW, the Tridentine is not the only option for Catholics, there are a number of other rites or uses.
We differ on the common understanding of what 'normative' means, but it may be but hair splitting on both our parts.
Sursum Corda
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To: sinkspur
The Tridentine Liturgy is permitted, with the permission of the local bishop. The bishop should be generous in granting permission.And, if the bishop is not generous and does not grant permisson for the Tridentine Mass, is he disobeying the Pope?
To: Land of the Irish
And, if the bishop is not generous and does not grant permisson for the Tridentine Mass, is he disobeying the Pope? I don't know. Our bishop couldn't get anybody to celebrate the Tridentine Liturgy until early this year. After he did, there are still only about 100 people at the Mass on Sundays.
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posted on
10/08/2002 8:14:43 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: nickcarraway
"There has been a lot of confusion" about the new norm, said Father Huber, who speculated that there will "probably be enough questions sent to Rome to lead them to make a clarification." The Pope has already said that there must be some sort of act of reverence at the recieving of Communion. That's is why you see people genuflecting when they have to stand to recieve Communion. Watch EWTN. Lots of people genuflect. My parish is used to seeing many people genuflect.
To me it is indeed a joy when I am at a Mass where kneeling at the Communion rail is still allowed. I feel like I am home.
You'd think that all parishes would welcome true reverence for Jesus. Lord knows with all the Church is having to endure, some people reverently praying should be thought to help the situation.
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posted on
10/08/2002 8:39:52 PM PDT
by
Slyfox
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To: HDMZ
Friggin' lunatic.
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posted on
10/08/2002 9:04:34 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
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To: HDMZ
Don't overdo the joke.
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posted on
10/08/2002 9:20:26 PM PDT
by
Loyalist
To: nickcarraway
Hmmmm.....Interesting.
The Hitchcocks are members of the parish where I've been going. The altar rail is still there, but nobody uses it right now.
To: nickcarraway
Cardinal Medina's letter, from Oct. 25, 2001, stated: "This dicastery [Vatican department] agrees in principle to the insertion [of the standing adaptation]. What a surprise: the Vatican agreeing that kneeling is "not a licit posture for receiving holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance" in principle.
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posted on
10/09/2002 12:36:21 AM PDT
by
Dajjal
To: Polycarp
Great! LOL!!!
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posted on
10/09/2002 12:37:54 AM PDT
by
Dajjal
To: yendu bwam
Boys are being raped throughout the Church, and bishops feel compelled to use their precious time and authority (those who are not already laughing-stocks) to keep people from reverencing Christ. Dittoes!
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posted on
10/09/2002 12:43:29 AM PDT
by
Dajjal
To: Desdemona
"The altar rail is still there, but nobody uses it right now. " Our church built in the within the last 20years doesn't even have an altar rail.
Except for my own first Holy Communion I can't recall the last time I saw anyone kneeling to recieve.
My kids have never seen this, sadly.......
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posted on
10/09/2002 5:32:11 AM PDT
by
SunnyUsa
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