Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[restornu]

I am sure when that revelation came out it was quite awakening to know more of who we are! An like new imformation people do engage in wonderment. Yet we are here in this world and have a lot of mundane things to do which dominates out thoughts. For much work here mush bedone and little to entertain such thoughts!

I know when I first learn of this I was beyond words, yet it was when I spoke to other saints in the church about it they knew, but the immediate concerns was earning a living, paying bills, rasing family, studying for school etc. So you see for the regulars they had their priority in order.

The main focus for the LDS is "Keeping the Lords Commandments", doing home teaching,honoring callings and helping the orphans, widows, and elderly and many other charities!

Too many of you hear this is wild news and you don't how to properly process this knowledge. because you are preoccupied with this news you think the rest the LDS are.

I would look to the NWO and worry about their version of it, instead of what Jesus Christ Saints are doing!

[restornu]

So you don't help non-Mormons?

What do you mean by this the polgamist that were excommunicated from the church? or others who do not really know us? Some might think they know us by the poison water, yet they did not learn it from the LDS!

Wrigely that was and open ended question the kind like "do you still beat your wife no matter how you answer it stinks! but than wrigley might raise skunks?

The unsanciton polgamist need to repent!

They have the knowledge and like so many with knowledge doing it their way!

Wrigley you are famous looking for the sting and sarcasm retorts! that why I alkaline my diet so I can fend off you Acid Spirit:)

[HarryDunne]

Does every LDS-related thread degenerate to an anti-Mormon free-for-all? Even a thread about Utah Baby Names?!

Things need to change around here. There should be no place on this site for (fill in religion here)-bashing.

[restornu]

HD they can't help it they DRANK from satan Well, and now all they spew is anti-LDS or knock the Church of Jesus Christ!

[BibChr]

Excellent. But it's logical and factual, so it will fall on dead ears.

Dan

[BibChr]

Grig's count: 0+0+0+0+0=0

Still standing untouched:

1. Massive numbers of gods != one God

2. Grace + Faith + Works != by grace alone through faith alone

Dan

[BibChr]

Blah blah blah.

And yet, the facts still stand:

Many gods != one God

The faith that affirms the former != the faith that affirms the latter

Mormonism != Biblical faith

Dan

PS -- this is how you discuss facts, rather than just sniping. Try it sometime. Tell Grig how. Fun and profitable.

[restornu]

BTW why you foolish folks stand around mocking this knowledge.

Well got news for you when Lucifer knew this knowledge he jump on it, maybe too soon BEFORE He got his physical body here on earth and than the ressurected one. But he did NOT KEEP his 1st estate so he lost all togather and now a spirit that yanks the chains of the gullible of those who want ot believe a god that IS only a spirit NOT ressurected one OF FLESH AND BONE!

Now the invisible government and the NWO crowd are not that guillble they are using the knowledge their ancestor unsruped long long ago in each dispensation*, and have been with each generation setting their knowledge in motion!

It should be interesting in the furture how many mockers get it or parish!

*That is why there are Dispensations for in previous ones, The Word, Covenants & Doctrines and Statutes; were taken from the children of God. an in each dispensation the Lord would restore it and than it would vanish again!

Now all you got from Pagans and likewise is the NICENE CREED! That is a dollard will get you a cup of coffee!:)You only have a half of loaf of truth!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have the Fulness of the Gospel!

[Wrigley]

Hardly.

I read Illbay's comment as "since they are not Mormons they won't get any help."

Do the Mormons help those who are not Mormons?

[Pahuanui]

It seems I may not have been clear enough because you're still missing the point.

The point isn't whether you consider Mormonism valid as a 'flavor' of Christianity, but that someone adhering to a religious viewpoint, whether Christian or not, isn't in a particularly good position to start criticizing the viewpoint of another adherent to a different religion based on logic. One could easily subsitute Hindu for Mormon, the effect would be the same.

Why shouldn't logic play a part in the assessment? Why shouldn't biblical assessment be done?

I agree with the above completely, and have not argued otherwise.

I say, be noble and compare Joseph Smith and Bringem Young to the Bible and let the chips fall where they may. Acst 17:11.

That's nice, but comparing their veracity relative to each other is not what I was talking about. Comparing illogic to illogic, however, only results in more illogic.

[Grig]

"It is lawful for a man to have only one wife, unless the Lord commands otherwise"

Really have a hard time getting that through your head, don't you.

"(or maybe just 47 years!)"

No, we still belive that it is lawful for a man to have only one wife, unless the Lord commands otherwise. At this time the Lord does not command otherwise, so we continue to obey.

"Abraham was commanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not kill. (long after this time...) "

So you think murder was OK with God back then? Or do you think God just forgot to tell anyone not to do it until Moses? Before you answer, you might want to check what Noah was preaching in Gen 9:6.

"and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, (no it wasn't!!! read Hebrews 11th chapter!!) "

I see nothing in that chapter that says it was accounted as sin to him. If you want to assume that Heb 11 lists every righteous action of his life, then you must think he sure didn't do much all his long life.

As for OD1, you forgot to bold "I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write [ie: OD1]."

"This would have sure been nice if GOD had treated the JEWS the same way!"

So, what prophet of God do you think mislead the Jews?

"What part of "Judge for yourself" do YOU fail to understand?"

No part at all, that quote is part of the comments made ABOUT the declaration, not the declaration itself. He is trying to get the Saints to understand why God revealed the declaration rather than called for open civil disobedience. What part of "I wrote what the Lord told me to write" don't you get?

[Grig]

"Does every LDS-related thread degenerate to an anti-Mormon free-for-all? Even a thread about Utah Baby Names?!"

Pretty sad isn't it. It seems more and more likely to me that their obsesives attacking at any excuse is a symptom of some kind of personality disorder.

[Utah Girl]

Yes, we do help any in need. One such endeavor is the Humanitarian Center. Each LDS ward has a couple of people assigned to humanitarian efforts. These efforts range from making lap quilts for the police to give to children who need them when going into a foster situation to making baby kits to send to babies either in the US or overseas. I knit bandages for those who suffer from leprosy (the bandages can range in size from 4 feet to 7 feet, so I only get a few done a year.) One other project I am aware of was done in my ward, we were asked to go through our closets to see what we could donate for professional working clothes to an abused woman's shelter. We all have outfits that we're going to fit in again "someday", that are in great condition just hanging in our closets. It was wonderful to see the overwhelming response from the women who donated, and those who received.

For those who want to know more about the Humanitarian Effort, go to Humanitarian Services. The purpose of Humanitarian Services is "to help children and families of all nationalities and religions by relieving suffering, helping people care for themselves, and providing opportunities for service." We can help locally or in a national effort or internationally. We are counselled to be aware of the needs first in our own families, then in our neighborhoods, communities, etc. "...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

[Grig]

"this is how you discuss facts,"

By tossing straw men around? No, that is not discussing facts at all. I guess you just don't have a clue what I mean by straw man, so allow me to inform you:

(from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/) The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

So you are there thowing out a bunch of Y's, but when anyone tells you Y is wrong and lets you know what X is, you call them dishonest or just ignore it and go back to Y. Attempting to discuss the facts under these conditions is pointless so I won't be joining your silly game.

Instead I'll just enjoy denying you the fight you are spoiling to use for an ego trip. So go ahead, invent whatever score you want and post it as much as you like. It makes me laugh to see you act like that and have no clue how silly you appear.

Anyone who takes the time to read the long exchange between scripter and myself will see I'm quite able and willing to engage in reasoned discussion with reasonable people. I just don't consider you reasonable, not by a long shot.

[BibChr]

0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

And facts still stand:

Many gods != one God

The faith that affirms the former != the faith that affirms the latter

Mormonism != Biblical faith

Dan

[Grig]

"I read Illbay's comment as "since they are not Mormons they won't get any help." Do the Mormons help those who are not Mormons?"

Yes they do. Illbay was incorrect. Both with disaster relief and with assistance done localy through the Bishop, membership is not a requirement. Also the specific case in question had nothing to do with providing food and shelter to some poor woman who couldn't afford it, and nowhere does it say the Bishop said she didn't qualify. She asked for advise and didn't like the advise she got. Nor does she indicate how well she informed the Bishop of the situation.

[Wrigley]

Excellent.

[HarryDunne]

Very sad indeed.

[Elsie]

I would look to the NWO and worry about their version of it, instead of what Jesus Christ Saints are doing!

I'm sorry; but I just CAN'T 'look the other way' while you guys are doing your thing. It's IN your 'scriptures'; therefore, it is TRUE (according to the rules you folks are playing by here in FRland.)

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Maybe if we ratchet down the rethoric, we'll find we all have specks in our eyes instead of beams that prohibit us from focusing clearly.

[Elsie]

Things need to change around here. There should be no place on this site for (fill in religion here)-bashing. "Did we ever define what BASHING is?", he asked, acidly...........