I don't know why you guys are so insistent upon heading down this rabbit hole, ignoring the scriptures I have posted along the way, but here we go, one more time: The act is not always present to God. The Memorial is!
- "Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,..."
6And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne... stood a Lamb as though it had been slain....
Do you not see the paradox in this Scripture? ~ AlguyA
Aparently, the only people who see a paradox in the Scriptures are those who deny the Biblical doctrines of election and reprobation.
To use the words "before" and "began" perforce connote placement in time, yet the phrase "before time began" argues just the opposite. I believe this Scripture is designed to instill in us, to lead us, to fear of the Lord, to an appreciation of the wonder and awe of God's majesty. It prompts us to consider his transcedence. Similarly, it would be just as correct to say God gave his saving grace to the saints after time ended and that he is giving us that saving grace now. ~ AlguyA
Clearly, the scriptures are teaching us that before the foundation of the world, before chronos, which is the greek word you people are chocking upon, before the first Word of creation was ever uttered, the Lord Himself had already saved all who would ever be saved out of the world He was creating. It is only at a specific point in the history of this age that the Lord revealed that already accomplished salvation to the vessles of His mercy.
Why are you people chocking on this? Well, it takes you completely out of the picture and leaves you absolutely naked with no room to glory in the presence of the Almighty.
To assert that the act of salvation is always present is to flatly declare that the murder of Christ is always present. It is to place the Savior into an eternal chamber of horrors where every moment He is sacrificed. Now, the Roman Catholics have their own version if this horror, but it is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures.
I do not know this atonement that you preach. My Lord is sitting right now. I have already been perfected forever.
Woody.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as
He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will
The act is not always present to God. The Memorial is! What other moments in time are not present to God? Super Bowl XXX? The OJ Trial?
Is God is, or is God not outside of time?
I know this is tough, but you might try answering some questions, instead of doing the usual spew.
Do you believe Jesus died on the cross, about 2000 years ago, in history, in time, on this planet earth?
Clearly, the scriptures are teaching us that before the foundation of the world, before chronos, which is the greek word you people are chocking upon, before the first Word of creation was ever uttered, the Lord Himself had already saved all who would ever be saved out of the world He was creating. It is only at a specific point in the history of this age that the Lord revealed that already accomplished salvation to the vessles of His mercy.
So God "revealed" this salvation at a specifc point. Did Jesus actually die and resurrect at this specific point in time? Or did He did before time and only "reveal" it 2000 years ago?
Did Jesus have to die for our sins? If you were saved before the world was even created, then Jesus must have been unnecessary, huh? Does the Cross have any power?
I do not know this atonement that you preach.
I know you don't. Frankly, I don't know what effect JEsus's death had on you whatsoever. You were saved by God's pre-destination, not by His Sacrifice.
My Lord is sitting right now. I have already been perfected forever.
If this is the perfect you, then I don't wish to ever meet the imperfect you.
SD