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To: Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7
God desires that no one sin, yet He made plans for its occurrence. In other words, it is part of the plan of God. If it weren't, it would not have occurred.

It sounds like a permissive will since something is happening that God does not desire.

Now, can someone do something that is against God's desire?

If that is the case, then someone could resist God's will to be saved, even though God desires all to be saved (2Pet.3:9)

358 posted on 03/19/2003 4:38:47 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
If that is the case, then someone could resist God's will to be saved, even though God desires all to be saved (2Pet.3:9)

Exactly.

359 posted on 03/19/2003 5:49:39 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7; Frumanchu; CCWoody; Jean Chauvin; the_doc
If that is the case, then someone could resist God's will to be saved, even though God desires all to be saved (2Pet.3:9)

Ah, yes, ftD returns, and his faithful sidekick is in the amen corner. Reminds me of the two guys in the jail cell with Eddie Murphy in Trading Places. One guy asks all the questions, and the other guy just says "YEAH!"

I see that the same old tired arguments are being raised, despite much having been written to explain and answer said tired arguments. Once again, the idea that someone "could" resist God's desire, even though God supposedly wants "all" to be saved. I have already explained once why the greek word "pas" translated as "all" in this passage does not mean the same thing as our English word "all". Our word "all" is used to mean "every one", and carries the idea that none is left out. The Greek word "pas" carries the idea of "all sorts", "all kinds", and implies the idea of "some". Of course, since the Greek doesn't support their theology, the Arminians ignore it. And, to argue that mere man could resist God's will is a straw man argument. Oh, God will let you sin, but even that is within His Plan, and will result in no good to you. Since Adam fell, man has had the exact opposite problem: He cannot DO what God commands! What is that command? Repent, and believe the Gospel, and you shall be saved. As for God's Will, nothing happens that God has not already known about, and incorporated into His Plan. He isn't waiting to see IF you will do any certain thing, He already knows with absolute certainty that you will do everything that you have done, are doing, and will do, clear to the end of time and beyond. And He knows that with a certainty that you can't even begin to fathom.

You want man's will, his so-called ability to choose (from a morally neutral position, which is patently false), to be the one thing that God must yield to, the one thing that He cannot override without being "unfair". You don't understand God's Soveriegnty, His Omnipotence, or His Omniscience. If you did, you wouldn't argue for such a stupid thing!

360 posted on 03/19/2003 8:33:30 AM PST by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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