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Abp. Dolan Irritated: <br>Wimmin's Ordination Prayer Service
Mlwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 4/5/03 | Tom Heinen

Posted on 04/05/2003 9:18:30 AM PST by ninenot

Allowing his church to be used for a service marking the annual World Day of Prayer for Women's Ordination has gotten a Milwaukee priest in hot water with the archbishop and attracted attention elsewhere in the country.

Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan was going to "address it with those concerned," said archdiocesan spokesman Jerry Topczewski, who indicated that Dolan was not pleased.

But people at the national Women's Ordination Conference were elated.

The March 25 prayer service at St. Matthias Church was the first one known to have taken place in a Catholic church in the United States in the seven years that the prayer services have been encouraged, said Erin Hanley, a conference spokeswoman in Fairfax, Va.

And after word of it filtered out, the national group learned that a similar prayer service was held in a Catholic church in Cincinnati, Ohio.

"It is a wonderfully pleasant surprise, and, actually, what (the Milwaukee pastor) said in his quote is the same thing that I heard in Cincinnati - we have been told that we cannot talk about the issue, but no one has ever said we can't pray about the issue," Hanley said.

Hanley was referring to comments that Father David Cooper, pastor of St. Matthias, made to the Catholic Herald, the archdiocese's weekly newspaper. He did not return a reporter's calls to his parish office and his residence.

Pope John Paul II, who has consistently said women cannot be ordained priests, sought to end debate in 1994 by declaring it a closed issue. Despite priest shortages here and in Western Europe, the Vatican has resisted pressure to ordain women, citing Jesus' selection of men as apostles, church tradition and church law.

The request for a prayer service did not arise within the congregation at St. Matthias, 9306 W. Beloit Road.

Ginny Kiernan Dahlberg, a Racine resident who last fall organized a local women's ordination chapter for southeastern Wisconsin called WISE-WOC, approached Cooper after unsuccessfully trying six other Catholic churches. She said the parish was not known for being progressive, but a friend suggested to her that Cooper might be receptive.

She said Cooper consulted with his parish council and other parish leaders before giving permission.

Controversy did not arise until the Journal Sentinel published a news brief about the service on its religion page.

"My cell phone was so hot," Dahlberg said. "People wanted to come, other people were furious. I got them all. This phone never stopped for three days."

Topczewski said Dolan learned about the service on the day it was scheduled to be held, three days after the notice was published.

"No one at the archdiocese was approached for counsel or permission for this prayer service to occur within the parish church," Topczewski said. "The archbishop found out about it, really, only hours before it occurred, when his office started getting complaints.

"The archbishop expressed his surprise and disappointment that an organization in direct opposition to the defined teaching of the church would be welcome at one of our parishes. He (later) noted his disapproval of what was reported to have gone on at the service."

Barbara Anne Cusack, archdiocesan chancellor, said she contacted Cooper before the prayer service the day it took place. Dolan simply asked her to contact the pastor to find out how it had occurred that this event was scheduled at a Catholic parish. She said she did that.

Cooper did not go out of his way to keep the prayer service quiet. Dahlberg said he approved her request for permission to send notices to parishes throughout the 10-county archdiocese.

"I spoke to Dave several times," Dahlberg said. "I asked him if it was OK for me to send out the bulletin notice, since it would establish his parish as host, and he had no problem with that. I sent him the service as soon as it was complete so he could see it well ahead of time . . . and spoke with him right before the service as well.

"He was never hesitant. I honor and respect this man tremendously. He displayed a courage too often lacking in our clergy."

Dahlberg, who said she will receive a doctorate in theology in May from Marquette University, presided at the service with David Gawlik, who was ordained a Catholic priest but left the institutional church and married. About 35 to 40 people were present, but Cooper was at a Parish Council meeting and did not attend, she said.

"We prayed for healing and forgiveness for the wounds caused by clergy sex abuse, the rejection of a priestly call on the basis of gender or marital status, and peace," Dahlberg said.

She began the service wearing an alb and stole, but later dropped them on the sanctuary floor, saying that the church will not let a woman wear those symbols of priestly ministry.

During the reflection she gave, she lifted a basket and a chalice - which she said the people could not see were empty - and said the words of consecration, "This is my body, this is my blood." But she said she was not behind the altar and "it was patently not a consecration."


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Abp Dolan was notified through an email campaign by several Milwaukee-area Catholics. We also notified him of an upcoming Call to Action conference on Archdiocesan property. The other shoe has yet to drop.
1 posted on 04/05/2003 9:18:30 AM PST by ninenot
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Ping
2 posted on 04/05/2003 9:19:55 AM PST by ninenot
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To: ninenot
Priestess Alert
3 posted on 04/05/2003 9:25:08 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: ninenot
Dolan's office is not too swift about keeping up with goings-on in Milwaukee, is it? He found out about Mel White preaching tomorrow at the eleventh hour also, just in time to stop it.

I'm getting the impression he's not big on administrative stuff.

4 posted on 04/05/2003 9:35:41 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
WOrd is that the Chancellor, Barbara Cusack, is on the "find a new job" list. Wouldn't in the least surprise me that Dolan's being sandbagged. OTOH, Dolan spends a LOT of time out of the office. About two weeks ago he welcomed the Legionnaires of Christ to the Archdiocese (Rembert had told the LoC to 'stuff it,') and is allowing them to use a school building--already occupied with students--as their administrative headquarters. The building was built with private dollars and is one of the four 'non'-"Catholic" private schools in the area. Dolan also makes a lot of Jesuit-type phone calls and visits to potentially significant contributors.
5 posted on 04/05/2003 9:42:16 AM PST by ninenot
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To: ninenot
Archbishop Dolan should have been consulted.

I get the feeling that this meeting was skirted through the channels. The organizers should be more aware of church policy, and Catholic doctrine before something like this is allowed to take place in a Catholic church.

6 posted on 04/05/2003 11:21:48 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: sinkspur
I'm getting the impression he's not big on administrative stuff.

No, he's not. He's just a jolly ol' Irishman who's trying to please all. I'm still searching for a picture of St. Patrick wearing a cheese-head mitre. I don't think St. Patrick was trying to please "all".

7 posted on 04/05/2003 11:25:48 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: ninenot
What is a "Jesuit type" phone call?
8 posted on 04/05/2003 11:36:18 AM PST by JNB
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To: JNB
Now, see, I LIKE priestesses, especially when they're priestesses of ISIS or whatnot wearing skimpy outfits.

But those pretending to be Catholic, well, they should be institutionalized. Or shot. I mean, in a loving manner.

I'm having a wierd Lent.

9 posted on 04/05/2003 1:26:54 PM PST by JohnnyZ (President of the Ruth Samuelson Fan Club)
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To: ninenot
The March 25 prayer service...

Hmm, the feast day of the Annunciation. Contrast Mary's humility in accepting God's invitation to becoming the Mother of God at that moment when the Incarnation of God into His Creation occurred, with the prideful immature, sinful, childish, adolescent behaviour of those involved in this agenda driven event.

Recalling that sin is separation and alienation from God, Mary's fiat on behalf of all mankind unbinds Eve's knot allowing God ot show His Humility and Mercy in Love with His outrageous condensation of becoming one of us, the new Adam, to save us.

Is not the devil a clever creature tempting us to pride? He's still winning battles;

She said Cooper consulted with his parish council and other parish leaders before giving permission.

Well, Cooper, congratulations! Way to be a Father. I suppose Adam "consulted" with Eve before he ate of the tree.

Barbara Anne Cusack, archdiocesan chancellor, said she contacted Cooper before the prayer service the day it took place. Dolan simply asked her to contact the pastor to find out how it had occurred that this event was scheduled at a Catholic parish. She said she did that.

How cute. Good one. Bravo for you Barbara, your cleverness astounds. You simply (wink wink, nudge nudge) did PRECISELY what the good bishop asked of you.

Pathetic. The WOC is dying out. A whopping 35-40 people showed up. The non-color 'grey' comes to mind.

10 posted on 04/05/2003 1:57:39 PM PST by TotusTuus
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During the reflection she gave, she lifted a basket and a chalice - which she said the people could not see were empty - and said the words of consecration, "This is my body, this is my blood."


The Rev Mary Ramerman Celebrates First Mass At Spiritus Christi
Breakaway Catholic Community in Rochester, N.Y.

The day the catholic church legitimizes this, I will join ultima_ratio and Land of the Irish at their SSPX church.

If Bishop Dolan found out about this, even 1 hour before the event, he should have made a personal trip to that parish and stopped it! Many of us had high hopes when his appointment was announced.

11 posted on 04/05/2003 2:18:46 PM PST by NYer (God Bless America. Please pray for our troops!)
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I don't understand this at all. The Holy Father already said it ain't gonna happen. Why don't these wierdos go become liberal Lutherans where they can innovate to their hearts' content?

Archbishop Dolan needs to get some better staff. He should hire me. I am fearless when it comes to knocking together the heads of liberals who don't have a whole brain between them.

12 posted on 04/05/2003 2:33:23 PM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: NYer
he should have made a personal trip to that parish and stopped it!

I agree.

13 posted on 04/05/2003 3:06:48 PM PST by livius
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To: ninenot
Dolan's been there less than a year. The place isn't quite his yet. I get the impression he's still cleaning house? This was sent through enough channels by design to keep it away from his desk.

Maybe he'll step up the turnovers.
14 posted on 04/05/2003 8:47:31 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: livius
I agree also.
15 posted on 04/05/2003 10:14:09 PM PST by Savonarola
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To: ninenot
New chant for picketers:

"Two, four, six, eight, time to excommunicate."

Okay, okay, great poetry it's not.

That photo literally turned my stomach.
16 posted on 04/06/2003 4:36:59 AM PDT by dsc
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To: NYer
"The Rev Mary Ramerman"

Shouldn't that be "The self-excommunicated heretic Mary Ramerman?"
17 posted on 04/06/2003 4:38:14 AM PDT by dsc
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To: ninenot
I hadn't heard about the LoC visit. This is VERY concerning to me. My brother(staunch Catholic) was a teacher at one of their schools and he had some grave concerns about the school and the order in general.
18 posted on 04/06/2003 6:57:54 AM PDT by Litany (The Truth shall set you free.)
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To: JNB
MONEY-raising
19 posted on 04/06/2003 10:36:20 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: Northern Yankee
The organizers are VERY well-aware of Church teaching and policy. They simply defy it.

Of course, that defiance has been learned by sitting at the feet of Rembert Weakland, one of the most spoiled-brat Bishops in the biz.
20 posted on 04/06/2003 10:37:55 AM PDT by ninenot
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