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They must have used these in Seattle.

They were used in Seattle.

Your understanding was incorrect.

The problem is that the chip on the voting machine places a call to executable code on the memory card in order to generate the vote report.

The hack involves tweaking, replacing, or doing any number of malicious things to the code.

The problem is that the design itself violates federal law. The hack exploits the design. The design was intentional.

As I said, the technical report, due mid-June, will be the format where source code appears. Certainly not on a message board, nor in your email box. You'll get it the same time everyone else does.

Thank you for the list you provided. Several of those items will also be provided in the technical report. About 10 days from now, watch for the report, then if you don't think you got enough code, you can complain.

Nope. never heard another word after I asked her if having obviously protected government code, if she herself was not committing a crime.

Your grasp of facts is not impressive. The code is not "government code." It is claimed to be owned by a corporation. However, that is not the code we used to hack the system. (Which should be even more disturbing -- any ol' person can write their own program and stick it in place of the voting machine program. Nice.)

After researching it, I found she has been "working on this report" for better than a year.

Post link. "This report" is ambiguous. We post many reports. We are working on THIS report, meaning the one regarding the memory card hack of the Diebold optical scan machine (which is different from the central tabulator hack, and the one we did in Leon County is a different central tabulator hack than we did a year ago -- yes, these machines are as full of holes as swiss cheese...)

After googling the possibility of embedded code in the diebold machines, every article on the net with this accusation has her name on it somewhere.

Well, that's progress. At least now we are being credited for our research.

It is all supposition.

The Leon County Election Supervisor corroborated the report on the Leon County Web site. So now it is Black Box Voting (Bev Harris and Kathleen Wynne) AND the documentary film guy AND professor Herbert Thompson AND European computer expert Harri Hursti AND Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, all conspiring to make up a story. Sounds like you are a conspiracy theorist.

I would think if there were any truth to it every DemonRat with any 'puter experience at all would get involved.

As pointed out in the story, the system we hacked is especially popular in democratic jurisdictions.

After close to a year of the first time she made this accusation, she is the only one doing any research.

"This accusation" -- you are mixing your accusations. We are talking about specific hacks, in this case an optical scan memory card hack, which is new. By the way, the central tabulator hack you are referring to was published by me two years ago, not "a year ago." For what it's worth, you have me going under six different names: "Bev Harris" "Kathleen Wynne" "Professor Herbert Thompson" "Harri Hursti" "Thomas James" and "Ion Sancho".

That sure makes it look like a tin foil hat, left wing, moon bat, piece of propaganda to me.

So, acting in the capacity of these six names, I then convinced a television reporter from Tampa and a newspaper reporter from the Tallahassee Democrat that these discoveries are real. Apparently I am a linguist (some of the people in this have foreign accents) and also I do excellent voice impersonations, including being able to switch between men's and women's voices. I also faked the physical voting machine tapes, and did this on camera in front of six witnesses, while being videotaped by two different groups. Wow. I'm very impressive.

(And you say I'm the one wearing a tinfoil hat?)

Well well. I'm off to work now.

Bev Harris

In the seven months since the election, however, Black Box Voting has posted almost nothing in the way of any documents obtained -- not even so much as a list of what was obtained -- and has produced no actual election audits whatsoever.

In seven months since the 2000 election, Judicial Watch posted almost nothing on the hand count of the ballots in Florida -- not even a list of which counties they had hand counted so far, and they had produced no actual hand count results.

They completed their work in September 2001.

Most people who post this stuff never actually look at anything on the Black Box Voting web site, nor do they bother to look up accounts in the mainstream press. The press often covers it when we pick up documents, and/or litigate for them.

Black Box Voting sent FOIA requests out to 3,000 counties. That stopped clocks, effectively blocking them from destroying certain documents. We then targeted which counties to obtain complete record sets from, and we have been buying audit records ever since.

We aren't done yet. Like litigation (which we sometimes have to do to get the records), we deal with frequent stalls, nonresponsive replies, nonreplies, and sometimes refusal to turn over the records at all.

Now, once we do get sets of records, there are very good reasons to delay publication of audits until other tasks are completed. Here are three of them:

1) Volusia County audit documents (most of which were obtained and paid for by Black Box Voting) were in Volusia County being used for a nonpartisan court case to set aside the election. That case was finally adjudicated a few weeks ago.

There is a whole satchel of records which we now have to retrieve, scan and post. We've been working with Susan Pynchon, of Florida Fair Elections Coalition, sharing records for pending Volusia County actions, which included this: On Monday, Volusia County board members nixed a contract for new Diebold touch-screens.

2) Snohomish County audit documents revealed a problem. We had to litigate to get Palm Beach county documents, on a voting machine system that matches the Snohomish system. We withheld results of the Snohomish audit (except that we met privately with the elections official there). We waited until we got the Palm Beach records, to see if they had a matching error.

We received the Palm Beach records (seven boxes, plus two computer disks) a couple weeks ago and are in the process of scanning them to put them online. Yes, Palm Beach records show the same error as Snohomish, affecting about 11 percent of the votes.

We have ordered a third county's records with the same voting system as Snohomish and Palm Beach. We are working on finding a location that will allow us to test its machines to replicate the log error, to find out whether the error resulted in miscounted votes.

A fourth county with the same voting system is being prepared for litigation, and we've been meeting with the right people to engage in the litigation as effectively as possible.

The audit logs for the above voting system are manipulatable. Most county officials don't understand their own audit logs. It's not a very good idea, therefore, to shine a big fat red light on the problem area, before you get the records you want from ALL the target counties.

3) The Diebold logs end up centering on two key sets of records: poll tapes and tabulator reports. Counties told us that if those two items match, the ballots don't matter. We therefore stepped up research to find out just how manipulatable the combination polltape/tabulator reports are. We proved on May 26 that the two key records are so easily manipulated that using them for a definitive audit is pointless.

As that research concludes, we'll be going back through the Diebold records (and probably litigating for access to the memory cards themselves) so we can find out, on a system that was "open for business" just how brisk business really was.

By the way, most counties did not respond until after recount and contest periods had expired -- usually in December. We posted a selection of the fees charged for the FOIA requests in December. The fees ranged from "That'll be about a dollah" (a small cooperative Florida county) to "$125,000 just to look around, no guarantees we'll find anything, pay half up front please" (Michigan).

I'll see if we can post the receipts for the records purchases along with each jurisdictions records. Most were not paid until recently, when we finally got the records -- some have not yet been paid, because we are still arguing with officials to get what we want.

Bev

Well, this isn't funny for the funnies, but you ask a good question -- in fact, I've posted it to allow discussion on our Web site as well, here: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/71/6616.html.

I was just wondering if there has been any effort made to expose the fraud in the governers race in Washington state or in the presidential elections in the states where John Kerry won by a much slimmer margin or what about the facts of tire slashing etc to keep Republicans from getting to the polls. Hey, if we are going to expose fraud, lets make it fair.

Black Box Voting tends to focus on investigating procedures, rather than taking up for specific candidates, and we like to choose procedural issues to investigate that indicate systemic problems That being said, Washington has two counties that qualify and are at the top of the list for us.

Snohomish and King County, Washington:

The problems in these two jurisdictions are very different, but both represent systemic concerns (i.e., the identical concern is popping up elsewhere in the U.S.) and therefore, we are spending a significant amount of time on each. Our work is continuing on both counties.

Snohomish County problems center around a problematic audit. I have met with the county auditor to go over the problems, and we have also now found identical problems in another location with the same voting system -- specifically, we have found tens of thousands of votes afflicted with an error which seems to appear only on election day.

We have not (yet) been allowed to try to replicate that error on those machines, so we don't know the effect it is having on the election. In one Florida county, this same error appears connected to 80,000 votes. The counties we have found this in so far are Dem counties, but that doesn't mean the error favors Dems. We cannot yet tell which party or candidate would have benefited if this error was flipping votes.

King County has different problems, very systemic and very indicative of serious problems with the election elsewhere in the U.S.

King County uses the Diebold optical scan system, a system which has a mind-bogglingly easy manipulation feature designed into it. The Diebold optical scan system that we tested can be manipulated in a way that will pass all ordinary canvassing (audit) procedures. Only a 100 percent hand count can catch memory card manipulation on the Diebold optical scan.

Now, as to what that would have to do with Rossi: There are three basic checks and balances on the Diebold optical scan system, which counted 1 million votes in Washington:

1. ballots
2. poll tapes (reports from individual ballot scanner machines)
3. tabulator report (report from accumulator of all machines)

All three should match.

The testing we did in Florida falsified #2 and #3 without showing up on any logs:

1. ballots
2. poll tapes
3. tabulator report

That leaves only hand counted ballots. When it comes to authenticating an election with a 100 percent hand count, it is all about chain of custody of the ballots. If ballots can be substituted, disappeared, or added, it's all over for using a hand count to authenticate the election.

Of course, in King County, ballots were added not once, not twice, but FOUR TIMES. Hand count credibility? Buh-Bye!

But it gets worse. We have obtained documents showing that the "spoilage" rate for the ballot printer King County uses is a whopping 25 percent. That means the printer budgets for printing 25 percent more ballots than needed.

In the case of King County, the ballot printer has a history of close ties with the county elections office (at one time, the owner of the ballot printer worked in an office in the county elections office!). The printer is just a few miles up the road.

King County is required to account for its ballots (though we know that they did not do adequate accounting -- see SoundPolitics.com research). But what most people are forgetting is this: There is NO REQUIREMENT for the ballot printer to account for all the extra ballots it prints.

King County has yet another problem, and that is defiance of public records laws. When we examined the logs for the Sept. 14 primary, we found that 3 hours was DELETED from the internal computer logs, which track the events that happen on the tabulator. When we asked for logs from Nov. 2, we were stalled -- then told they had destroyed one of the logs, and another log they gave us was the wrong thing.

When we asked for all iterations of ALL the logs, they just said "you don't want them." That answer makes me very suspicious. They still have not provided the logs.

Though we were able to circumvent ALL logs and cross-checks when we test-hacked the Leon County Diebold optical scan system, there is a possibility that King County may have left indicators in its logs. I believe this because their deletions and substitutions are so clumsy.

As for Rossi, we did notify the Rossi team of the problems we were finding with the optical scan, showing how it could be easily fraudulently manipulated, and where to find the evidence. We were told that they were not allowed to present any new evidence by that point (we notified them as soon as we discovered the problem, and BEFORE we even went to Leon County to demonstrate proof of concept).

As for tire slashings, that is not systemic enough to get to the top of the priority list. Vote suppression tactics are a real problem. However, we are a small organization -- we're just two 50-year old women investigating, with a temp working the office, and seven volunteers as board members. We have to choose which things to go after.

Tire slashings? Probably not. States where Kerry won by a small margin? I never pay attention to who won or by what margin. We have 22 months (that's the time period that records are held on federal races). Other states that interest me very much, which would qualify as "blue" states, are Minnesota and (for the primary especially) New Hampshire. We have a number of other locations working their way up the priority list, but I actually have no idea whether they favored Dems or Republicans.

I agree that vote fraud investigations should be conducted on anomalies regardless of which party is favored in the election. I also think that Washington State -- at least, King County -- has indications consistent with Democratic election manipulation. We will persist in investigating what happened on Nov. 2 in King County, regardless of any candidate outcome or court decision.

Let the chips fall where they may.

Bev Harris

Did BBBev ever provide that source code?

Technical report due out mid-month, which will include source code modules. (refers to story at http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1954.html) -- I do not want to change subject of this thread, just answering a question.

Also -- the proof is not just in the source code. The Leon County supervisor of elections confirmed the findings (its now on the Leon County Web site), and the discovery was also covered by the mainstream press, the Tallahassee Democrat. A Florida television station also did a story on this, but I haven't seen it yet.

Had the Rossi litigation team filed a request for the King County memory cards (we suggested strongly to the Rossi team that they avail themselves of this option), I believe the litigation would have come out differently(depending on what was found). The reason the judge tossed the case out was that he said they had not proved fraud.

The King County memory cards were Rossi's best shot at proving fraud (if it existed, and I suspect that it did, since King County has now destroyed one of its logs and refused to provide the others to us).

Back to Leon County: Black Box Voting and the documentary film crew obtained copies of the "poll tapes" at the testing. These are voting machine reports. They conclusively document that the Leon County system was hacked during the testing. The poll tapes show incontrovertably that the memory card conned the voting machine into printing the wrong results without any error messages and without the problem showing up on any of the logs.

I have scanned the tapes, and we will post them along with the technical report.

Thanks, over & out

Bev Harris

Here is the (redacted) thread -- and I am hoping the mods here will replace the identifying names with ****.

Sorry there are a lot of redactions -- there was a lot of personal information posted on my children: By Andy Stephenson, Tue May-31-05 10:35 PM
Anyone want to guess who **** **** **** (Bev's kids names) is? Guess why this is important and you win a big door prize. First right guess gets a cupie doll.
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Maat Tue May-31-05 10:37 PM
Andy ... how ARE you doing? Shouldn't you be resting? As to the game, I'm googling now.
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merwin Wed Jun-01-05 12:44 AM
Yeah Andy. How are you feeling these days?
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:54 AM
Not feeling so great...the incision will hurt for at least 4 weeks...then I get to have chemo and radiation. Fuuuun!
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merwin Wed Jun-01-05 09:04 AM
Lovely! I can't begin to imagine what that feels like. My guess is something close to someone taking your innards, throwing them in a blender, and pressing puree. I am glad to see that you're getting the treatment you need though. Is it here in Seattle?
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48pan Tue May-31-05 10:37 PM Ann Coulter?
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:38 PM
Who ta hell is **** ****? (*Bev's kids names) Isn't it past your bedtime?
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Andy_Stephenson Tue May-31-05 10:39 PM
I am in too much pain to sleep. got out of the hospital today and the bed I am in is...well not as comfortable as the Hopkins bed was.
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:41 PM
Uh oh.....A comfortable hospital bed? Got drugs?
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Andy_Stephenson Tue May-31-05 10:44 PM
yes but not as good as those delivered intravenously.
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:46 PM
And that is the point of weaning you off the IV
ones....You still haven't said who *** **** (Bev's kids name) is... And I am headed to bed in 14 minutes.
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NormaR Tue May-31-05 10:38 PM
Rush Limbaugh?
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mourningdove92 Tue May-31-05 10:55 PM
Welcome back, Andy. Good to hear from you. Take care of yourself, ya hear?
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Melissa G Tue May-31-05 11:01 PM
Happy to see you in back in the game mode Andy!
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helderheid Tue May-31-05 11:05 PM
don't know but WELCOME BACK!!!
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lwfern Tue May-31-05 11:16 PM
I don't know who **** **** (Bev's kids name)is, but a google search of ***** (Bev's kids names) + bush left me giggling here. -- (redacted paragraphs from Google on the name of Bev's kids) -
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starmaker Tue May-31-05 11:29 PM
your surgeon?
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lwfern Tue May-31-05 11:32 PM
I bet it was the surgeon, yes! and she was married to some other doctor but fell in love with Andy and got divorced and now she's the current Mrs. Andy Stephenson! And now that he's coming off the morphine he's thinking maybe he made a mistake.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:17 AM
God I hope not *** **** (*Bev's kids name) is well lets just say ****. Her children have been known to **** **** **** (brings up something that happened when one of our children was a teenager. See end of post.)
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Zan_of_Texas Wed Jun-01-05 06:17 AM
**** ****??? (names of Bev's children) fiction? Hmph. All we wanna know is, how was the jello? Come on, tell us how ye be??!?! I was trying to remember who *** *** (family member of someone unrelated) is now -- duh, it's *** ****. ******** (ethnic identifiers of Bev's children deleted). The doctor who developed the surgery that you underwent? I give up.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:25 AM
The answer is coming to a soon to be released scandal near you soon.
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DemReadingDU Tue May-31-05 11:56 PM
Must have something to do with the Election or voting or fraud. Otherwise, wouldn't you have posted this in a different forum? Hey, nice to see you are out of the hospital, Andy!
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starmaker Wed Jun-01-05 12:09 AM
good read on **** ***** (no idea what the link has to do with anything) Healthy Healing to you Andy!
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Janice325 Wed Jun-01-05 02:27 AM
Welcome back, Andy!! I have no idea who the hell *** **** (*name of Bev's kids) is, but it's great to have you back. (Ok, so who is *** ****?(*name of Bev's kids)
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eridani Wed Jun-01-05 02:43 AM
Andy--don't do this to us! I give up--a quick google didn't get me anything. Re hospital food--I'm told that those little packets of Kentucky jelly really taste awful!
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:24 AM
Actually, Johns Hopkins "hospital food" was not too bad. But my appetite has not fully returned and my taste buds are still in shock so that might have something to do with it.
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:25 AM
I know, I know! But I ain't tellin' cause your "source" told me the answer! (devil icon) Another hint: She has a *** (redacted child's gender) in *** (job) in **** (town)
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:29 AM
Yer spoilin all ma fun (devil icon) But since you did not say and you're so damned cute...here is a consolation cupie doll prize.
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But wait...I thought the *** (redacted gender) was **** **** (recaps teenage incident of a different child) in another state?
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:32 AM
Ahhh, that's another **** (identifier of relationship to another Bev family member) This one is also into **** ***** (hobby/sport) at **** (town) where one of Bev's children lives) on edit: For clarity, the **** (teenage incident recapped) is one **** (gender), and the **** *** (identifies job and hobby) is another **** (identifies gender of that child).
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:35 AM
The **** (identifies relationship to another family member) is into ***** (identifies Bev's child's hobby -- a sport, by the way, nothing oddball. Straight A student, an athlete, so sue me.)? WTF I am in better shape than that kid and I am a post op (whipple procedure) 43 year old man. (in your wettest dreams, Andy. Kid went to NCAA tournament, but whatever.)
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:36 AM
See my edit above for clarity. Sorry to confuse you.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:39 AM
I have been looking for a link to the **** (identifies a family relationship) incident (referring to teenage incident). Used to have a link to the story but can't find it. Do you have that and any grey poupon...by chance?
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:43 AM
No, sorry, Someone did post a link on BBV's (old) message board, though. Perhaps the way back machine will help? ***************** (posts hints on where to find more information on teenage incident). As for grey poupon, I wouldn't recommend anything that tough on the digestive tract right now.........ya know? How 'bout some jello? I can probably find some of that round here.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:53 AM
Oh look here is a link to the story. ***************(posts a story by an unknown "reporter" that was incorrect, then makes fun of my husband and I for our habit of tithing and our child's Christian faith) I wonder if tithes rectify this sort of behavior....or if only penence does? But perhaps since these were the actions of a "god fearing ***** (identifies gender)" all is forgiven? Termite really hates being called lazy BTW and there is more on that story later.
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 07:01 AM
More clear now? The **** (Bev's child's gender) I was speaking about doesn't have the same last name as the one **** (more identifiers). Different **** (another child's gender).
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DemReadingDU Wed Jun-01-05 09:15 AM
Could it be Bev Harris! Just guessing
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DU mods chose not to do anything about this thread until I posted the problem on Free Republic. After they deleted it, Pitt came in and pretended the thread never existed (9 hours and 37 replies later).

Now, since the teenage incident was posted here at FR: Between my husband and I, we have raised four teenagers and looked after three foster children. There was an incident, which was reported incorrectly in the gay press. One of our children, while a teenager, was in a very opinionated phase with his personal Christian beliefs. He showed poor judgement and for some reason got into a shouting match with an employee of a gay church -- not desecration of a sanctuary, but shouting. Very stupid. Our child was cited for disturbing the peace, not desecrating anything, though it was incorrectly reported in the gay press as such. We let the police scare the heck out of our child to teach a tough lesson.

The charges were later expunged, after our child did community service. It seems that because of my notariety, it still needs to be bandied about the Internet, even though it has nothing to do with my work.

I challenge any parent to raise a lot of teenagers without incident. We are very proud of our children, and they have all turned out to be nice, responsible, considerate individuals.

So there it is.

Bev Harris

Here is the thread, sans personal info. Sorry there are a lot of redactions -- there was a lot of personal information posted on my children:

By Andy Stephenson, Tue May-31-05 10:35 PM
Anyone want to guess who **** **** **** (Bev's kids names) is? Guess why this is important and you win a big door prize. First right guess gets a cupie doll.
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Maat Tue May-31-05 10:37 PM
Andy ... how ARE you doing? Shouldn't you be resting? As to the game, I'm googling now.
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merwin Wed Jun-01-05 12:44 AM
Yeah Andy. How are you feeling these days?
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:54 AM
Not feeling so great...the incision will hurt for at least 4 weeks...then I get to have chemo and radiation. Fuuuun!
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merwin Wed Jun-01-05 09:04 AM
Lovely! I can't begin to imagine what that feels like. My guess is something close to someone taking your innards, throwing them in a blender, and pressing puree. I am glad to see that you're getting the treatment you need though. Is it here in Seattle?

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48pan Tue May-31-05 10:37 PM Ann Coulter?
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:38 PM
Who ta hell is **** ****? (*Bev's kids names) Isn't it past your bedtime?
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Andy_Stephenson Tue May-31-05 10:39 PM
I am in too much pain to sleep. got out of the hospital today and the bed I am in is...well not as comfortable as the Hopkins bed was.
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:41 PM
Uh oh.....A comfortable hospital bed? Got drugs?
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Andy_Stephenson Tue May-31-05 10:44 PM
yes but not as good as those delivered intravenously.
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greatauntoftriplets Tue May-31-05 10:46 PM
And that is the point of weaning you off the IV ones....You still haven't said who *** **** (Bev's kids name) is... And I am headed to bed in 14 minutes.
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NormaR Tue May-31-05 10:38 PM
Rush Limbaugh?
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mourningdove92 Tue May-31-05 10:55 PM
Welcome back, Andy. Good to hear from you. Take care of yourself, ya hear?
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Melissa G Tue May-31-05 11:01 PM
Happy to see you in back in the game mode Andy!
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helderheid Tue May-31-05 11:05 PM
don't know but WELCOME BACK!!!
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lwfern Tue May-31-05 11:16 PM
I don't know who **** **** (Bev's kids name)is, but a google search of ***** (Bev's kids names) + bush left me giggling here. -- redacted paragraphs from Google on the name of Bev's kids - ---------------
starmaker Tue May-31-05 11:29 PM
your surgeon?
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lwfern Tue May-31-05 11:32 PM
I bet it was the surgeon, yes! and she was married to some other doctor but fell in love with Andy and got divorced and now she's the current Mrs. Andy Stephenson! And now that he's coming off the morphine he's thinking maybe he made a mistake.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:17 AM
God I hope not *** **** (*Bev's kids name) is well lets just say ****. Her children have been known to **** **** **** (brings up something that happened when one of our children was a teenager. When you raise four teenagers plus foster kids, occasionally one of them behaves stupidly. There was an incident which led to community service and the child in question grew up to be a nice, responsible, and considerate person after learning a hard lesson.).
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Zan_of_Texas Wed Jun-01-05 06:17 AM
**** ****??? (names of Bev's children) fiction? Hmph. All we wanna know is, how was the jello? Come on, tell us how ye be??!?! I was trying to remember who *** *** (family member of someone unrelated) is now -- duh, it's *** ****. ******** (ethnic identifiers of Bev's children deleted). The doctor who developed the surgery that you underwent? I give up.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:25 AM
The answer is coming to a soon to be released scandal near you soon.
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DemReadingDU Tue May-31-05 11:56 PM
Must have something to do with the Election or voting or fraud. Otherwise, wouldn't you have posted this in a different forum? Hey, nice to see you are out of the hospital, Andy!
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starmaker Wed Jun-01-05 12:09 AM
good read on **** ***** (no idea what the link has to do with anything) Healthy Healing to you Andy!
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Janice325 Wed Jun-01-05 02:27 AM
Welcome back, Andy!! I have no idea who the hell *** **** (*name of Bev's kids) is, but it's great to have you back. (Ok, so who is *** ****?(*name of Bev's kids)
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eridani Wed Jun-01-05 02:43 AM
Andy--don't do this to us! I give up--a quick google didn't get me anything. Re hospital food--I'm told that those little packets of Kentucky jelly really taste awful!
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:24 AM
Actually, Johns Hopkins "hospital food" was not too bad. But my appetite has not fully returned and my taste buds are still in shock so that might have something to do with it.
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:25 AM
I know, I know! But I ain't tellin' cause your "source" told me the answer! (devil icon) Another hint: She has a *** (redacted child's gender) in *** (job) in **** (town)
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:29 AM
Yer spoilin all ma fun (devil icon) But since you did not say and you're so damned cute...here is a consolation cupie doll prize.
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But wait...I thought the *** (redacted gender) was **** **** (recaps teenage incident of a different child) in another state?
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:32 AM
Ahhh, that's another **** (identifier of relationship to another Bev family member) This one is also into **** ***** (hobby) at **** town where one of Bev's children lives) on edit: For clarity, the **** ((teenage incident recapped) is one **** (gender), and the **** *** (identifies job and hobby) is another **** (identifies gender of that child).
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:35 AM
The **** (identifies relationship to another family member) is into ***** (identifies Bev's child's hobby -- a sport, by the way, nothing oddball. Straight A student, an athlete, so sue me.)? WTF I am in better shape than that kid and I am a post op (whipple procedure) 43 year old man. (in your wettest dreams, Andy. Kid went to NCAA tournament, but whatever.)
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:36 AM
See my edit above for clarity. Sorry to confuse you.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:39 AM
I have been looking for a link to the **** (identifies a family relationship) incident (referring to teenage incident). Used to have a link to the story but can't find it. Do you have that and any grey poupon...by chance?
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 06:43 AM
No, sorry, Someone did post a link on BBV's (old) message board, though. Perhaps the way back machine will help? ***************** (posts hints on where to find more information on teenage incident). As for grey poupon, I wouldn't recommend anything that tough on the digestive tract right now.........ya know? How 'bout some jello? I can probably find some of that round here.
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Andy_Stephenson Wed Jun-01-05 06:53 AM
Oh look here is a link to the story. ***************(posts a story by an unknown "reporter" that was incorrect, then makes fun of my husband and I for our habit of tithing and our child's Christian faith) I wonder if tithes rectify this sort of behavior....or if only penence does? But perhaps since these were the actions of a "god fearing ***** (identifies gender)" all is forgiven? Termite really hates being called lazy BTW and there is more on that story later.
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Boredtodeath Wed Jun-01-05 07:01 AM
More clear now? The **** (Bev's child's gender) I was speaking about doesn't have the same last name as the one **** (more identifiers). Different **** (another child's gender).
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DemReadingDU Wed Jun-01-05 09:15 AM
Could it be Bev Harris! Just guessing
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Note that both the mods and DU administrators were notified by four different people starting within 30 minutes of the original posting, but DU mods chose not to do anything about it until this was problem was posted on Free Republic. Then, Pitt came in and pretended the thread never existed (9 hours and 37 replies later).

Most of the people on the thread were just trying to get the status of Andy's health and wish him well. It was not they (except for one) who kept digging for dirt on my children.

Bev Harris

Sorry, but Bev doesn't have a lot of credibility with me. She says that a thread has been up at DU for 8 hours and no one has done anything about it. Yet, when asked for proof she gets defensive.

I saved the thread, of course. Spinning this as "defensive" is odd. Do you have a daughter? Would you want some guy urging members of an Internet message board to go investigate her, and posting her last name -- along with the name of your son, where he works, the town he lives in?

I think not. The thread was posted in the Elections 2004 forum, did brisk business until 10:30 a.m. Eastern this morning, and was not removed, despite several alerts and letters, until 30 minutes after I made the problem public at FR.

The response at DU to my decision to make it public here (in the hopes that they'd finally cave to pressure to remove the thread) was that "it is none of my d*** business."

Most of us consider our children to be very much our own business.

Bev

It appears (after 9 hours and 37 replies) DU mods finally deleted Andy's post requesting the investigation of my children.

DU has known about the problem since last night, and received letters from four people. The president of the BBV board signed onto DU last night and issued alerts to the mods. No matter, they left it up. DU chose not remove the thread until I posted the problem here at FR.

Which is why I posted the problem here. Thank you.

Bev

It's there. For obvious reasons, I am reluctant to drive even more people towards my children's personal information.

Bev Harris

P.S.: grrrrrr

OK. I'm going public with this.

Out of the blue yesterday morning, I was called by a person who identified herself as "Beth Ferrari" (sp?). She informed me that Andy's diagnosis had come back and that he was unlikely to survive. She had a scary-sounding name for it. She urged me to avoid any criticism of him "because I'd regret it."

Andy Stephenson's very first post after supposedly hearing this dire report was to urge DUers to investigate my children.

(You heard me.) If you had just received a scary-sounding prognosis and were told you are likely to die, would you gather your family around you and focus on priorities, or would you run over to the Internet and urge people to violate the privacy of someone else's children, who have done NOTHING to you?

This, more than anything else, has convinced me that Andy does not have cancer, and I seriously doubt that he has received any scary prognosis.

By the way, Democratic Underground appears to be sanctioning this use of their message board, and the discussion has now gleefully degenerated into "investigating" my son, to the point that they named the town he lives in, where he works, and his hobbies. Currently they are busy trying to find dirt on our youngest, my husband's son. I suppose they'll go after my grandchildren next?

The "investigate Bev Harris's children" thread has remained up for 8 hours so far.

Andy Stephenson has an 84 year-old mother. You don't see ANYONE posting on the Internet where she lives, or urging that she be investigated. Skinner has family too, and no one is going after them, nor should they.

I find this behavior surprising, even considering the source.

I wasn't going to post this, because I was hoping the thread would be deleted. I am stunned to learn that DU-- after letters from two board members of BBV, and an alert to the mods -- has decided not to delete the thread.

I will therefore notify my children that their privacy is being violated on Democratic Underground, and this is being done with the blessing of the mods, and I will try to help them take the appropriate security measures, given the sensitivity of the story we are working on right now.

That's all I have to say on this matter. Judge for yourself whether this guy deserves to be spared from criticism.

Bev Harris

Well...no one knows for sure what his "take" was from the Bev Harris scam.

A reminder: There was no "Bev Harris scam." Black Box Voting is a 501c(3) which is REQUIRED according to the form of the corporation to get most of its funding through small individual donations. There are different kinds of nonprofits. We are not a foundation, nor are we allowed to be a tax deductible organization sustained by grants from a few individuals. Our corporate structure, under IRS rules, requires funds to be raised "from the public."

The stated purpose for the $50,000 fund raise we did in November was to pay for public records requests. We raised that amount and spent that amount on the FOIA actions.

Note that at no time did any funds go to "Bev Harris." They went only into the nonprofit 501c(3), for the purpose intended, and the funds were applied as stated.

You have apples and oranges here: Black Box Voting Inc.(not "Bev Harris), which is directly accountable to the IRS via form 990, and Andy Stephenson, an individual, not registered with the state, who routed donations into his personal checking account and has no requirement to publicly disclose how much he brought in, or what he spent it on.

Not going to further hijack the thread, but I will correct the record on behalf of the organization I work for.

Bev Harris

Hey, franksolich,

Your sentiments are adorable, but I will be on a plane Thursday and in Cleveland Friday and Saturday. Thus the lovely flowers might wilt.

But thanks for the concept.

Bev

Also, MoveOn.org is the pioneering Internet fundraising organization, and Howard Dean is no slouch.

JennyJenny -- the point was not to laud MoveOn (which has, for my issue at least, been a total slouch) -- the point is that both MoveOn and Howard Dean mastered the art of raising funds on the Internet. If my memory serves me right, both organizations have raised tens of millions on the Web.

Sorry to give you indigestion.

I haven't spent the bandwidth to reply to the Barset posts because you show a propensity to misquote and spin.

For example:Since Bev had made the claim that all the vote fraud fund-raising organizations moneys went through Bev's BBV, did Bev have to approve expenditures from these websites for plane tickets and hotel accommodations in D.C. during the inauguration, if such were made?

That's a nonexistent quote and a ridiculous spin. Black Box Voting was not involved in any inaugural activities, and did not go to Washington D.C. except to meet with John Conyers' staffers about FOIA matters.

You made this quote up: "all vote fraud fund raising activities went through Bev's BBV."

Obviously, only donations specifically to Black Box Voting go through Black Box Voting. It is usually illegal to use a 501c(3) to raise funds for another non-501c(3) organization.

Also, MoveOn.org is the pioneering Internet fundraising organization, and Howard Dean is no slouch. Most of Black Box Votng funds came in from traditional fund raising outlets: Television coverage, newspaper coverage, radio coverage, and (40%) the traditional method: grants.

15 people

Never said that either. Black Box Voting has three paid staff members and seven unpaid directors.

I haven't been active here for two reasons:

(1) Most of this is about Andy, and what I am working on is totally unrelated to these threads.

(2) I've been in the field, where we demonstrated on Thursday last week that the executable program on the memory card, which you feel is "hilarious," is in fact a reality.

We hacked the Leon County Florida optical scan voting system three times in five minutes, and the preliminary (non-technical) report of that is now posted at http://www.blackboxvoting.org.

Some of us really do other things than hang out on message boards. It is true that in the early stages of these threads, the puns and photos were quite funny -- some of you would make great comedy writers and you did capture a few of us old women with your wit. I think my all-time favorite was the "disguises" post.

Best,

Bev Harris

If one has a perfectly valid social security number, and of course is undeniably an American citizen, why would one get a second social security number?

I am equally interested in this line of questioning.

By the way, in the State of Washington the SS # is required to start a bank account, get a safe deposit box, and for obtaining a UBI number on a sole proprietorship. Not all states require the SS# for safe deposit boxes, however.

Also, at one time, I was investigating an embezzlement and learned while tracing bank account transactions in Florida that (at least at that time) Florida banks were a pretty great place to start hard-to-trace accounts and impossible-to-trace safe deposit boxes.

I've been looking into these matters more recently, of course, for the investigation Black Box Voting is doing on the money trail behind voting machine procurement and use. Thought it might be of interest in your quest for the truth.

whoops, last one I promise.

>Bev, Andy said yesterday when he called me that there was a matter of $33,000 between you and him. He said you stiffed him on it. BS? I felt it was.

Good Golly Miss Molly. $33,000? From what? I shall breathlessly await documentation or substantiation of any kind on that. It is interesting that such an "amount owed" would never be mentioned to a single member of the board, nor ever put in a letter of any kind, but instead asserted over the phone to a complete stranger? Well, while clarifying everything else, perhaps someone can ask him to clarify: Is this amount owed from me personally, Bev Harris? Is it owed from Black Box Voting Inc.? What exactly is it supposed to be for?

I'm wondering what category of compensation could possibly qualify under nonprofit law. You can't just go passing out extraneous compensation. Did he explain how he came up with this amount? Bizarre.

That is a hoot, but it is also very irritating.

Thanks, speed_addiction, for passing this along.

Bev

Hmm. I can't resist. Perhaps you can name the board members?

Start by Googling Jim March, the Republican gun lobbyist who is one of the most active members of our board of directors. He was my co-plaintiff in the lawsuit against Diebold that resulted in a $2.6 million payment by Diebold to the state of California and Alameda County, to reimburse for selling flawed voting machines.

I'm guessing you don't know the names of the seven board members, nor of the three full time staffers, and if you can correctly identify the political persuasion of each, I'll send you that Broward County Ballot Box that no one could claim when I offered the last challenge.

But this thread is about something else, and I'm done shifting its gears -- probably boring the SOX (no pun intended, Diebold :) ) off of everyone.

Next, for those uninitiated to Internet lynching, you can expect to see a horde of displaced DUers coming over here posting breathless links and unfounded allegations. They'll outnumber anything I've posted by at least 50:1, since I won't be near the Internet until Monday afternoon, plenty of time to unleash the attack dogs.

Bye, nice playing, and yes -- the nicknames (and especially the "Sleepless and Skedaddle" pun) made me laugh. The whole office erupted, in fact, and for 15 minutes were unable to discipline ourselves to stop reading this stuff.

Back to your truth-seeking.

>But I do have one question? Why have you and your organization not pursued a lawsuit ...

It is a consideration. Has been very tempting at times. It's probably not the best way to spend donor money, and we can get a lot of mileage out of lawsuits against voting machine vendors and crappy elections officials, in ways that will do more lasting good.

You are correct that the damage done by the sustained libel campaign was significant. I've done lawsuits before, though. To do them right, you have to invest a lot of time. After a year or so has passed, you realize you could have achieved more meaningful things if you invested the same amount of time and passion in something constructive.

I am a Christian. On the (many) occasions where I began to obsess about seeing everything we've been working for dragged through the mud, my husband usually grouches at me to get back to the project I'm supposed to be doing, and let God take care of everything. He always does.

As for why pop onto the thread now -- when people keep repeating something over and over, that's all it takes for many to believe it.

We wasted some time today at the office grousing about the constant pairing of propaganda and rumors about BBV with other scandals, and decided to address it.

Again, thanks for asking.

I've got to sit on a red-eye flight all night tomorrow, so will hit the sack now.

Thanks for asking, resume your quest for truth.

Bev