Free Republic 3rd Qtr 2025 Fundraising Target: $81,000 Receipts & Pledges to-date: $16,333
20%  
Woo hoo!! And we're now over 20%!! Thank you all very much!! God bless.

Posts by Vion

Brevity: Headers | « Text »
  • Proof

    07/29/2005 10:03:32 AM PDT · 51 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    No, you haven't directly answered it. You've only implied an answer.
    Come on, this is easy, a YES/NO question:
    Do you think that "whatever feels real" must be real?

    Again, just a YES or NO would do. Pretty easy. This'll be my last post. If you can't answer this, then I'll take your implied answer. I'll check back in a few minutes.
    Take care man. (btw, I don't know why you say I'm "resurrected" from 2003; I only signed up a month ago)

  • Proof

    07/29/2005 9:54:34 AM PDT · 48 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    Please answer the question: do you think that "whatever feels real" must be real?
    It'll save time.

  • Proof

    07/29/2005 9:51:09 AM PDT · 45 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    I like to speak in general, so I'll say this again:
    Let's go through this step by step:
    1) You believe that our senses are 100% accurate.
    2) You believe that "reality" = "our perception of reality"
    3) What's your proof? Because it "feels real."
    Great logic. It "feels real," that's why it must be real. Isn't that what you've been saying all along? Apparently, you just know something is real because it "feels so real." Yea, those people who say they got kidnapped by aliens also say "it felt so real."

    If our senses are 100% accurate, then:
    -people are being kidnapped by aliens; world crisis!
    -ghosts exist for sure; screw those sketics
    -there's no such word as "hallucination"
    -there's no such thing as "dreams"

    Anyways, I think we are wasting each other's times here. One last question: do you think that "whatever feels real" must be real?
    Answer it and I'll leave and we'll stop wasting any more time.

  • Proof

    07/29/2005 9:33:26 AM PDT · 39 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    Btw, I'll answer your question. I might one day have a dream where I jump off a 12-storey building and crack my skull. Will it feel real? I'll bet it will. But then I'll wake up and still be alive.

    Let's go through this step by step:
    1) You believe that our senses are 100% accurate.
    2) You believe that "reality" = "our perception of reality"
    3) What's your proof? Because it "feels real."
    Great logic. It "feels real," that's why it must be real. Isn't that what you've been saying all along? Apparently, you just know something is real because it "feels so real." Yea, those people who say they got kidnapped by aliens also say "it felt so real."

  • Proof

    07/29/2005 9:22:12 AM PDT · 33 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    "You've said that the perceptiopn is wrong."
    When did I say that? I said you can never confirm that your senses are correct. They are probably quite accurate most of the time, but we cannot confirm/know that for certain.
    I see you've ignored my question. You've also ignored my example that some people think they've got kidnapped by aliens -- by the way, those people have been checked by psychologists and all are deemed normal.
    Again, I'll ask these questions: how would you define "reality"? Do you define "reality" = "whatever you sense"?

  • Proof

    07/27/2005 11:36:15 AM PDT · 29 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    EVERYTHING you sense is your perception of reality. It's pretty arrogant to assume that "your perception" exactly equals "reality."
    Tell your words to those people who say they have been kidnapped by aliens (which happen to look like aliens in Hollywood movies). Ever had a dream when you sleep? Are you absolutely certain that whatever you sense is real?
    Please answer this question: how do you define "reality"? If you DEFINE "reality" = "whatever I sense" then it's a different story and I'll shut up right away.

  • Proof

    07/24/2005 8:53:49 PM PDT · 20 of 77
    Vion to Darksheare

    This really isn't difficult to follow.
    How do you KNOW your senses are working perfectly? How do you KNOW it is giving you a perfect reflection of reality? The answer is: you don't.
    You can't take "true reality" and "what we PERCEIVE as reality," put them next to each other, and compare them to see if they are the same. The point is, you can't CONFIRM that "perception of reality" = "true reality."

  • Proof

    07/23/2005 8:43:38 AM PDT · 17 of 77
    Vion to Hank Kerchief

    I think it is true that we cannot know anything for certain, EXCEPT this very statement. Here's why:
    We directly detect our environment using only our five senses. To think that we can "prove" something 100% requires us to make the arrogant assumption that our senses are working perfectly. We have to assume that our senses give us a 100% accurate description of reality.
    So far, all we can say is: "ACCORDING TO OUR SENSES, this particular statement is true." We cannot make a conclusive statement about reality unless we assume that our senses give us a PERFECT picture of reality.