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There is much spin in the above which needs to be rectified. You told longshadow 'bad boy' for inciting a flamewar and you threatened me for asking you to stop it. I don't call that fair treatement. In a site (and a thread!) which is trying to stop abusive behavior for you to tell me that I should allow abuse to 'roll off my back' and attacking me for not doing so shows extreme bias and extreme unfairness in someone that claims to be an impartial observer.

In addition, your bias towards evolution itself is shown in your very words on this post:

I think that the points you raise about the (for lack of a better word) snobbery amongst certain scientific circles against certain aspects of the conservative movement have merit. I am sure that there is some reticence from some of your scientific peers that they say is for that reason.

I also think that the religious people have a point, that some use science as just another tool to try to drive religion from the public realm.

You add to the above with the following later on:

If your goal is to try to run the scientific conservatives out of Free Republic, you may as well hit 'log off' right now and go somewhere else and bitch about how things are here. Save us a step or two. And if your goal is to try to run off those who look at life more through faith, the same applies.

Now on the above you are clearly saying that evolution is science and those opposed to evolution are against science. I call that bias. Further:

Moreover, I think that the discussions between different mindsets within conservatism are important to be had, on this topic and other topics.

to say as you do above that atheists, evolutionists, materialists which are allied with the NEA, the liberals, the Communists and were allied with the Nazis in destroying Christianity and civilized society are conservatives shows extreme bias on your part since that is one of the important points being made against evolution by the opponents of it.

As to solving the problem on these threads:

So the options are, do away with these discussions, or fix the problem.

The solution was given to you by Half Full in post# 376:

It is easy....the initiator of insults on any particular thread gets banned for two weeks, then a month, and third offense permanent. Would clear up personal attacks in record time.

Which is what I was trying to have you do when it became obvious that a flame war was being initiated and called you in to fix it. Instead of punishing the initiator you threatened me (and continue to do so). So yes, you are biased, and that Vade and Patrick were able to 'predict' your unfair threats against me before you made them shows that you are not only biased but of the same mindset with one side.

So therefore, your post only adds to the evidence of your bias and your mishandling of these threads. As I said before and you continue to give evidence supporting my position - you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

It is the evolutionists who are anti-science as I have detailed on these threads numerous times. Science is about cause and effect, about predictable and repeatable occurrences. A theory, like evolution, which claims that biological change occurs randomly is perforce anti-science. To this one must add evolutionist's use of such words as 'imagine', 'possibly', 'could be' and 'perhaps' as proof of their theory. This started with Darwin and continues to this day. They call this science and have tried to push this totally unscientific criteria unto the scientific community. So, yes, evolution is anti-science and if you are a friend of science, then you (meaning not just you, but all who believe in truth and the value of true science) should be opposed to evolution.

Further, politics is not just about making oneself the same as the opposition which is what you are advocating, it is about establishing one's views and ideas in the battle for the conscience of the society. Without winning the battle of ideas, the political battles will eventually be lost. The Democrats know this and that is why they try to destroy the basis of conservatism in every way possible. The basis of conservatism is Christianity as almost every conservative will tell you.

Evolution is a theory promoted by atheists, for atheists and to spread and undermine the moral and Christian fabric of the country. It was used in such a way in Germany. It was used by the Communists and is still being used by them in that way. It is used by the atheists in this country, that is why they join hands with evolutionists in the school battles. It is used in the same way by liberals, Democrats and the NEA in those most important battles that try to drive God from the schools.

As to evolution being scientifically true, the use of insults and character assassination by evolutionists at those who give scientific evidence which they cannot refute shows very well that evolution is not science. For those who still wonder what the scientific facts against evolution are they can check out Evidence Disproving Evolution. There are also numerous Amazing Creatures which could never have arisen if evolution were true. There is also tons of Nobel Prize design in DNA which shows evolution to have been impossible. All the above and more are ample reasons for reasonable people to have said Bye, Bye Darwin a long time ago.

Yes, it is that easy - punish the one who incites it instead of the one defending himself.

Right. Darwin abandoned his belief in Christianity definitively in his middle age, as this passage from his autobiography attests.

An agnostic is someone who does not care either way about religion, the abobe quote -and especially the full version which I posted in #378:

I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so, the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother, and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.

... shows very well his hatred of Christianity. Spin all you like, write volumes of rhetoric if you wish, but the evidence is perfectly clear.

You are calling me a liberal??????????????

So tell me, how many liberals are against evolution? Tell me that the NEA, and the atheists which are fighting together with the evolutionists to keep opposing ideas out of the schools are not liberals. Show me one single liberal post from my over two years of posting on FR.

No, it does not. I showed exactly where it started - at post# 301 and quickly - even after I tried to defuse the situation - Vade Retro joined in and then longshadow who had not had anything to say on this thread and miraculously showed up to throw more gasoline into the fire. I have seen plenty of threads destroyed here by such tactics and I contacted your moderator who claimed that he wanted to see who was starting these flame wars when I showed him exactly who was starting them he said bad boy to the inciter and dressed me down for pointing the facts to him. He thus further inflamed the situation and aided in the degeneration of this thread. If he had taken off the posts starting it as well as my own trying to avert it, the problem would have been ended and an example would have been given that such was not to be allowed.

Dales is clearly biased and part of the problem not part of the solution.

Excuse me, this is a forum which supposedly accepts different views. This is a forum which is about discussing issues not about abusing people as your own statements verify:

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

Are you saying that only atheists should participate in these threads? I am trying to engage in a scientific discussion arguing the facts not the people. I am being abused for my opinions - which are conservative Christian opinions. Why is such being allowed? Why am I being abused and when I complain about it I am the one that gets threatened not the abusers?

As to why I stay in them there is one very simple reason - I am a conservative and atheism and materialism and evolution are joined together in a fight to destroy freedom in this country. I am trying to do my small part in trying to prevent that.

Yes, definitely. The following shows not only his atheism but his deceitfullness about it:

"P.S. Would you advise me to tell Murray [his publisher] that my book is not more un-orthodox than the subject makes inevitable. That I do not discuss the origin of man. That I do not bring in any discussion about Genesis, &c, &c., and only give facts, and such conclusions from them as seem to me fair.

Or had I better say nothing to Murray, and assume that he cannot object to this much unorthodoxy, which in fact is not more than any Geological Treatise which runs sharp counter to Genesis."
From: Daniel J. Boorstein, The Discoverers, page 475.

So now you are attacking me for asking you to do your job - stopping abuse. This thread has degenerated into a personal attack upon me and a long string of abusive posts - which you have failed to deal with - as you said was your intent.

Instead what you are doing is joining in the cabal of those who attack me. I have only responded to argument on the thread. I was attacked and abused because of it. I thought your job was stopping abuse, not joining in personal attacks.

As to your bias, and being part of the cabal, there is no doubt about. Vade predicted what you would say on post# 340 in his post# 335. You used the same words in your post# 348 as Patrick Henry used in post# 343. Are they mind readers? I doubt it very much. No you are not unbiased, in fact you are part of the problem in these threads. You want to silence the Christians and have gotten rid of four good Christians - ALS, medved, goodseedhomeschool, and JesseShurun as well as driven many more out of these threads with your favoritism towards the atheists on these threads. By your threat on this post you cleary are showing that you are seeking to get rid of one more.

It is the evolutionists - Cobalt Blue, Vade Retro and longshadow that have turned this thread into a series of ad hominems and personal attacks. It is your job to punish those who break the peace not those who are trying to engage in a peaceful discussion and are being abused.

I am hereby pinging Jim Robinson and asking for your removal as moderator on this forum. You are clearly not fit for the job and are part of the problem not part of the solution.

I am here to discuss issues, not to be abused by an atheist cabal and neither are all the other Christians who wish to express their opinions on this thread but are constantly driven away by these abusers.

In your post you said:

This would be a very poor thread to choose to engage in flamewarring or flamebaiting.

Well that is what post# 301 was - an attempt to start a flame war. I tried to defuse it but instead of Cobalt Blue letting well enough alone, he continued with it, then Vade joined in then longshadow.

These threads are to discuss issues, not to assassinate the character of those posting to it and that is clearly what the evolutionists are doing. They are also as I said turning the thread from a scientific discussion of facts to a string of ad hominem attacks. They do not respond to the posts made dealing with the issues, they are attacking the messenger - that is exactly what abuse is and exactly the kind of tactics we saw from the Clinton administration. I am stunned that a moderator on this site which fought so hard against those degenerates would not recognize this tactic.

In addition to which this is how flamewars start - the same as WWI - a little shot and then it escalates into a major conflagration. You know that and supposedly that was what you were trying to stop - flamewars. By allowing them to start you are encouraging their continuance. The thread has already been turned from a discussion of the article to a discussion of myself. That is a flamewar already.

I therefore ask you to do your job. I therefore ask you to do your duty as you yourself enunciated it in post# 1 and stop the flamewar by deleting the posts whose numbers I gave in the abuse report as well as posts by me in response to them. Let's get this thread back on topic and show the abusers that they will not be allowed to indulge in their vile tactics.

Regarding #330
To: VadeRetro
melting blue troll placemarker
330 posted on 11/01/2003 11:21 AM PST by longshadow

Seems the evolutionists could not hold on any longer in view of their inability to refute statements made refuting their theory. This ad hominem and turning of the thread into personal attacks started at least with Cobalt Blue's Post#301 with follow ups by both him and Vade Retro in #323, 324, 326, this post# 330 by longshadow, and #331 and #335.

You have gotten your answer on this experiment, kindly deal with the abusers of the thread instead of adding to the abuse of this thread by deleting it.

One more insult from you, I will have it reported for abuse. Bug off.

Which just shows what a liar you are. I have been posting for years on this subject and you know very well my position.

You cannot refute my statements on this thread so you are starting with the insults. When the truth shows evolution to be false, you and your fellow evos start with the character assassination. That is why threads get pulled around here - vile evolutionists not wanting to see the truth heard so they turn the threads into a long string of personal insults in order to destroy them and drive those not interested in food fights away.

No it is not. Marx offered to dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin but Darwin declined the offer. Evolution is the basis for Communist scientific materialism. It is also not a coincidence that the evolutionists, atheists, leftists, socialists, Communists and the NEA are working together to keep God out of the schools.

For someone that posts as much on these threads as me, that is an amazing statement. However, if you want more info you can check my homepage here and the articles linked to.

Yes, I'm sure that's what it looks like to you.

There is no research at all in the article, just playing around with numbers, so yes, it is nonsense. It says it is a model. You cannot make models to prove what you do not know. A model to be worthwhile has to be based on reality and that requires that the variables be known. You cannot model the unknown. So yes, the article is garbage, it is not science, and it is not hard work, it is charlatanism. It is indeed a video game with no more claim to truth than any other video game.

Let's see the paper. Enough of this 'unseen evidence'. Let's see the specifics of a species having been observed transforming itself into another species. Just one article, is that too much to ask? Just some real facts, scientifically verified, can't you do that after 150 years of evolutionist theory.

As to 29 evidences, post the strongest bit of evidence right here and I will show it is no evidence at all. This is a challenge to you to start using specifics instead of making vague claims. I know you will not be up to the task and just give us more rhetoric and more excuses.