Posted on 09/16/2001 11:12:10 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
Can anyone recommend a good book that would help me to understand the long history of this conflict? It would also be nice if it analyzes contemporary issues & shows how the history is related to them. Thanks in advance!
Better yet, is there possibly a website that can give a synopsis?
MKM
Also, check out this link: What do these people believe?
Here's what Amazon.com has to say:
A comprehensive survey of militant Islam, or Islamism, from Judith Miller, former bureau chief for The New York Times in Cairo. She covers eight Arab countries, plus Iran and Israel, in providing a complete, if bleak, picture for Western readers: from poverty-stricken Egypt to rich Saudi Arabia, she believes Islamists are threatening Middle Eastern stability. Whether floundering under incompetent government, corruption, and repression, or, as in the case of Jordan, too dependent on one ruler, the states close to the West are weak, and vulnerable to a movement that promises social justice and moral righteousness. Miller is forthright in her condemnation of the intolerance and sexism of Islamic movements she sees as largely antithetical to Western democracy. A provocative and daring book.
Might be time to pull out the Bible once again.
My parents would be so thrilled to hear this, I'm sure they're praying for me right now.
MKM
This is a transcription of hour-long PBS documentary on Bin Laden. It is excellent place to start understanding what's going on. Most significant quote, IMO, "They don't hate our principles, they hate us.!
If PBS rebroadcasts this show, as I'm sure they will, don't miss the opportunity to see who these people are.
Does this do any good? (trying to undo underline...)
Well, you can start by seeing what several of them said themselves. That's always a good place.
It's a religious war, and basically, it's the same kind of war that Israel fought when it was a country in years past (thousands of years ago). God fought for Israel and for "His name". You see, from what God has said -- there are certain things that will happen in the future. God says (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that there is no God like Him. That He is the only one, that He will prove Himself (through Israel).
Islam's "god" is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- and is therefore the one who opposes God (which is Satan).
We've been brought into this religious war because we've (as a country) have mostly stood up for Israel and their peace and safety and their right to the land (as the Bible says that they have).
And from what is said below -- you can tell that this is exactly the issue.
The web page for this below is at --
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
23 February 1998
Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlul Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.
The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.
Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it [EMPHASIS ADDED], in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."
This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"
We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."
Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."
Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."
How's that for a "starter"?
Also, Joan Peters, "From Time Immemorial".
It was pooh-poohed by some on the left as hawkish and many on the right as pro-globalistic. I happen to feel that regarding most the trends he predicts in his book, Huntington is right on. And it was published in 1996, about the time these bastards started learning to fly and plot this mess. Inexpensive used copies can be found at many college bookstores on and off campuses, as it is a popular read in many international policy courses.
For me, the best book to read would be on the particulars of the plight of European Jewry and the establishment of Isreal in 1948. That would be Howard Sachar's "A History of Isreal", published first about 20-25 years ago. It is a good primer to understand the immigration, emmigration, and forced movement of assorted peoples 1945 and after.
So that and with John's "Book of Revelation" (unsure of exact date published or which edition is most current), you'll have all you need to know on world affairs for the next fifty years.
From Time Immemorial: Origins of Arab-Jewish Conflict
by Joan Peters
This monumental and fascinating book, the product of seven years of original research, will forever change the terms of the debate about the conflicting claims of the Arabs and the Jews in the Middle East.
The weight of the comprehensive evidence found and brilliantly analyzed by historian and journalist Joan Peters answers many crucial questions, among them: Why are the Arab refugees from Israel seen in a different light from all the other, far more numerous peoples who were displaced after World War II? Why, indeed, are they seen differently from the Jewish refugees who were forced, in 1948 and after, to leave the Arab countries to find a haven in Israel? Who, in fact, are the Arabs who were living within the borders of present-day Israel, and where did they come from?
Joan Peter's highly readable and moving development of the answers to these and related questions will appear startling, even to those on both sides of the argument who have considered themselves to be in command of the facts.
This book is one that has already had a major impact on the policy discussions of one of the most vital and intractable of the world's problems, shrouded until now in a fog of misinformation and ignorance.
Note the date of the article is from nearly a year ago.
I also found some more info about Abdurahman Alamoudi - he's a 48 (or 49) year old BIO-CHEMIST, lives in Washington with his family, appoints Muslim clerics in the US MILITARY, defended the WTC bombers of '93, associated with the Clintons. This info I found at www.usajewish.com - Sunday, November 5, 2000 - 'Moderate' Muslim Leader Shocked at Flap
(Scroll down aways for the brief article)
Present day Arabs came from the family line of Abraham, Ishamael (Isaac's older half-brother) &/or Esau (Jacob's elder twin brother). According to the Bible, they remain outside of God's covenent of the promised land, but still receive God's promise of becoming great nations.
Helpful verses from Genesis inclue:
Genesis 12:1-3,5. God blesses Abraham and promises great nation-Land of Canaan (present day Israel) to this Father of present day Jews.
Gen. 15:1-5 Abraham's younger son ,Isaac, becomes part of God's covenant.
Gen. 16: 1-12; Gen. 17:15-21. Abraham's firstborn, Ishmael (Father of Arab nations), gets no blessing. God predicts he will grow to be "a wild donkey of a man." Ishmael will live to east of his brother. Gen. 25:12-18. Ishmael (father of Arabs) settles in area from Havilah (Assyria-present day Iraq) to Shur (Egypt), or ancient Arabia.
Gen. 25:23. Isaac's wife, Rebeka, mother of Esau and Jacob feels her twins fighting within her womb and asks God what is happening.
God replies "Two nations are in your womb; and two peoples will be separated from your body; and one people shall be stronger than the other; and the older [Esau-Arab] shall serve the younger[Jacob-Israel].
Gen. 32:3 Esau later dwells in land of Seir, Country of Edom, east of Isreal (today's Jordan). Esau also marries into Ishmael's family line in Gen. 28:9.
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