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What price security? Experts doubt national ID, encryption bans effective
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 26, 2001 | Toby Westerman

Posted on 09/25/2001 11:59:51 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

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What price security?
Experts doubt national ID, encryption bans effective


By Toby Westerman
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

As post-Sept. 11 calls for increased security measures are countered by concerns over further restrictions on personal freedom, some security experts say laws creating national identification cards, or requiring software developers to incorporate “back door” access for government agents, will not be effective in increasing Americans' overall security.

George O’Connor, an internal computer consultant and security engineer for a top computer manufacturer, expressed his sentiments by paraphrasing a popular slogan: “If you outlaw encryption, only outlaws will have encryption.”

Indeed, well before the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the U.S. government had pressured software manufacturers to put into their Internet encryption products a “back door,” enabling government counterintelligence agents easy access to encoded messages sent by terrorist groups on the Net.

O’Connor expressed his doubt that terrorists would cooperate with any U.S. government requirement regarding encrypted materials on the Internet, nor did he doubt that computer-savvy terrorists would fail to close -- or open -- any “back door” left open for Uncle Sam.

The attempt to prohibit or control Internet communications is a virtual impossibility in view of the “open source movement,” O’Connor said.

The “open source movement” comprises computer professionals who make their projects open to general view and comment. The object is to obtain useful and challenging comment, which can then be used both to improve the project and increase the skill and marketability of the computer professional.

Projects produced in environments not open to such potentially rigorous “peer review” – Microsoft products, for instance – may well have undetected vulnerabilities opening them to hostile attack or manipulation, O’Connor observed.

Since much of the Internet operates with Microsoft products, O’Connor reasoned, much of the Internet is vulnerable to attack.

O’Connor favors a general overhaul of the Internet, noting that the system was originally designed for large mainframes in a highly controlled environment to connect with each other -- not many thousands, or millions, of home computers around the globe.

Advocating design changes that would avoid denial-of-service attacks, O’Connor favors better use of encryption to ensure privacy on the Internet.

Concerned about the tendency toward an ever-more-watchful government, O’Connor quipped, “Freedom and security are inversely proportioned.”

The other high-profile security measure being considered – this one even scarier to average Americans – is for the implementation of a national identity card in the United States.

Jim Ross, president of Ross Engineering Associates, a respected security and counter-surveillance firm, was skeptical and cautious about a national ID, pointing to the resources needed for such a system.

In order to avoid the use of falsified IDs, for instance, Ross noted that a national database would need to be put in place, with “broadband communications” linking it to every point where suspect IDs might need to be challenged.

The scheme would be “expensive, difficult and would take a long time to develop,” Ross stated, adding, “I don’t think the American people would permit it.”

Ross also recalled his personal and unpleasant memories of the identification system used in occupied Germany, where he served in the U.S. Army following WWII.

Describing the experience as “chilling,” Ross recounted to WorldNetDaily how armed occupation troops would challenge German citizens at will and demand their identification papers.

Police and military authorities in the U.S. are meant “to protect the country, not challenge citizens,” said Ross.

He suggested that U.S. counter-terrorism agents could develop a national system that would keep track of telephone numbers frequently called by terrorist suspects, as well as others calling into those numbers.

Expressing surprise that U.S. anti-terrorism efforts up to Sept. 11 had apparently made little use of undercover agents within the United States, Ross echoed recent concerns over U.S. intelligence's over-reliance on technology, asking, “What are we spending our money on?”

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1 posted on 09/25/2001 11:59:51 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Good stuff. I'm pessimistic that our law makers will hear this, however.
2 posted on 09/26/2001 12:33:31 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
There will be no damned National ID. Let's focus on the enemy.....hint...it is NOT our government.
3 posted on 09/26/2001 12:36:40 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: JohnHuang2
Politicians and bureaucrats demonstrate remarkable ignorance and/or incompetence. Is it incompetence or ignorance that they don't comprehend the following facts:

1. United States does not have a monopoly on encryption or very strong encryption.

2. Encryption has been developed in many parts of the world.

3. The Internet leaks like a sieve. Cannot keep one's and zeros contained in any geographic location. Cannot keep unbreakable encryption within the United States or keep it out of United States.

4. Anyone with a computer and Internet access, common criminal, terrorist or honest person who wants complete privacy can easily obtain (within a day, but probably a few hours) unbreakable encryption software without any "back-doors".

Continued...

4 posted on 09/26/2001 12:45:41 AM PDT by Zon
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To: JohnHuang2
Terrorists, Homeland Security Department and National ID card

Yeah - scary stuff. While the primary focus right now should understandably be on the war effort, I must say I've been chilled by some of the comments I've heard from folks on TV. Not only will this bolster the efforts of people already fighting to take our freedoms away, but it will also cause others to join the cause in "good faith". We must be vigilant.

Focus right now should be war on which terrorists? All of them or just the ones easiest to identify and point to so that they can be captured and held accountable? The following post to another thread provides identifications vital to the freedom and safety of all people.

Clearly, the terrorists have won. 80% of sheeple support a nazi I.D. card.

Who is responsible for the 9-11 terrorist attacks, U.S. government intervention or terrorists? Answer: terrorists. Who is responsible for the loss of liberty from the "Homeland Security Department" or if ID cards are mandatory? Answer: politicians and bureaucrats.

If we thought the DEA & BATF have pissed all over the former Constitution, wait till we see what the "Homeland Security Department" gestapo does. The 9-11 terrorists stole some of every American's liberty. No doubt the terrorists would claim they acted to make the world a safer more secure place to live. Now the politicians and bureaucrats want to steal more American's liberty to make it a safer and more secure place to live. Different modus operandi, similar stated cause, same effect -- liberty stolen.

Considering how much the politicians and bureaucrats have trashed the U.S. constitution over the last 150 years, all that burden is suffered by each citizen every day. How many potential Einsteins, Thomas Edisons, Henry Fords, Bill Gates and other heroic value producers were expendable since the Civil war? How much liberty and value is lost each and every day from politicians and bureaucrats crimes against the constitution and we the people? And they're the "good" guys?!

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged 

U.S. government agents/Gestapo seeking a family's National ID Cards: What?! You don't have your papers. Take the alleged Mr. and Mrs. Smith in for questioning. Take the two children to the processing center.

"If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? The organizers maintain that society, when left undirected, rushes headlong to its inevitable destruction because the instincts of the people are so perverse. The legislators claim to stop this suicidal course and to give it a saner direction. Apparently, then, the legislators and the organizers have received from Heaven an intelligence and virtue that place them beyond and above mankind.

They would be the shepherds over us, their sheep. Certainly such an arrangement presupposes that they are naturally superior to the rest of us. And certainly we are fully justified in demanding from the legislators and organizers proof of this natural superiority." -- Frederick Bastiat, The Law (1850)

Especially since they allow to pass such blatant insults to our intelligence. For example: "But I didn't inhale". "It depends on the meaning of what is, is." I didn't have an affair with Jennifer Flowers." "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski." The constitution clearly states one and only one recourse when a President is impeached: removal from office. Legislators know how to violate their oath of office.

Prohibition was a total failure but the War On some Drugs will be a success. So will the War On Poverty be a success. "Legitimize" Ruby Ridge, "legitimize" mass murder of seventy-eight innocents at Waco. How many innocents have been terrorized, physically injured, sometimes murdered and financially deprived by no-knock raids?  How about SWAT agents in black Ninja-style ski masks with duct tape hiding their badge ID numbers. Recently and still ongoing, the government terrorized -- is terrorizing -- 1500 farmers at Klamath Falls basin and in the process destroyed the farmers livelihoods/businesses. And the biggest "good-guy" liberty thief -- the IRS -- how many thousands of innocents have been physically, emotionally and financially terrorized by the IRS criminal investigation division (CID).

Seems to me that the "good" guys -- politicians and bureaucrats -- are a huge part of the problem.

Clearly, the terrorists have won. 80% of sheeple support a nazi I.D. card.

Which fear promoting terrorists won?

5 posted on 09/26/2001 12:46:29 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Which fear promoting terrorists won?

Tell me, what "identification data" would be on this national ID?

6 posted on 09/26/2001 12:51:33 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Let's focus on the enemy.....hint...it is NOT our government.

Tell that to the 78 innocents that were murdered at Waco. Tell it to Randy Weaver's wife. Tell it to a long list of innocents that have been murdered by JBTs executing no-knock raids at the wrong address or bad tip from paid informant. Tell it to the 1,500 farmers at Klamath Falls who had their businesses destroyed by the government. Tell it to the thousands of innocents that have been physically, emotionally and financially terrorized by the IRS criminal investigation division (CID).

7 posted on 09/26/2001 12:55:44 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Texasforever
Answer my question and maybe I'll answer yours.
8 posted on 09/26/2001 12:56:49 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
When you ask a question that even remotely approaches rationality I will answer it. Once again, who is the enemy ZON? Spit it out. Who is the greatest danger to this country?
9 posted on 09/26/2001 12:59:24 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Zon
The terrorists could frankly not care less whether the US is a police state or not while still in "infidel" hands. They just think that Allah will propel the Muslims to world domination in about a hundred years.
11 posted on 09/26/2001 1:00:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ratcat
Current discussions in the House include fingerprints, DNA information, possibly other biometric data. If the real "smart card" plan is accepted, then the card could be used like a debit card, enabling the government to keep track of how much you spend and where. The card would be required by all banks and all retail stores.

Now, look at what you have outlined and then explain the logistical plan for doing this for 300 million people.

13 posted on 09/26/2001 1:04:02 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Smittyat90210
Very good point.
15 posted on 09/26/2001 1:11:38 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: JohnHuang2
Can't our government find some computer whizzes who can get through the encryption devices used? After all, we did develop the encryption devices, didn't we, why can't weoverride them?
16 posted on 09/26/2001 1:17:12 AM PDT by smileee
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To: Texasforever
When you ask a question that even remotely approaches rationality I will answer it.

"Legitimize" the murder of Randy Weaver's wife at Ruby Ridge, "legitimize" mass murder of seventy-eight innocents at Waco. How many innocents have been terrorized, physically injured, sometimes murdered and financially deprived by no-knock raids?  How about SWAT agents in black Ninja-style ski masks with duct tape hiding their badge ID numbers. Recently and still ongoing, the government terrorized -- is terrorizing -- 1500 farmers at Klamath Falls basin and in the process destroyed the farmers livelihoods/businesses. And the biggest "good-guy" liberty thief -- the IRS -- how many thousands of innocents have been physically, emotionally and financially terrorized by the IRS criminal investigation division (CID).

Are you in denial? Do you deny that the above hasn't  happened?

Once again, who is the enemy ZON?

I thought I made myself abundantly clear -- people that terrorize innocents are the enemy, often causing financial loss, physical injury and sometimes death/murder. Those people are called terrorists. Terrorists are the enemy. Some are known to be radical fundamentalists, others are know to be government agents and their empowering politicians and bureaucrats. They may go by different official names, but in the end, they terrorize their victims.

17 posted on 09/26/2001 1:27:44 AM PDT by Zon
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Agreed.
18 posted on 09/26/2001 1:30:24 AM PDT by Zon
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To: smileee
See post #4
19 posted on 09/26/2001 1:33:28 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Some are known to be radical fundamentalists, others are know to be government agents and their empowering politicians and bureaucrats. They may go by different official names, but in the end, they terrorize their victims.

Nice try but no cigar. Who is the enemy ZON? Did America deserve what it got because of Waco? Should we fight the "war on terrorism" against the real terrorist, The Government of the United States of America? Was the death of 7,000 people on Sept 11, 2001 a blood debt that was paid for Randy Weaver and Waco? Are you secretly reveling in the “comeuppance” given to us by a faceless enemy? It seems to me that Tim Mcveigh avenged Waco and paid with his life for it but according to you that is not enough. What is enough ZON? Do 2 million civilians have to die before you can take sides?

20 posted on 09/26/2001 1:37:14 AM PDT by Texasforever
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